vg|Finali Coppa Italia 2008,MEN Finale 1_4,I,1,16,ANGELINI TCP - BOVE,0,BC MI - D'AVOSSA,0|
rs|6SE-1,6SE-1,3CW-1,2SS-1,4SS+1,5SS=,4SW=,4SW=,4HS=,3NN=,3NE+1,3NE+1,5DE-2,5DEx-2,4SN=,5SS=,3NE=,3NE+1,3NW+1,3NW+1,4HN-3,2DN=,3NE=,3NE+1,4SW+1,4SW+1,4HE=,5HEx-1,4SW+1,4SW+1,4HN-2,4HN-2|
pn|Versace,Hugony,Angelini,Cerreto,D'Avossa,Nunes,Intonti,Lauria|pg||
qx|o1|st||md|3SJ64H8DQ872CJ8742,SA97HQ932DA9CAKQT,ST3HAJT54D643C953,SKQ852HK76DKJT5C6|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|henryb: Welcome all|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5D|nt|henryb: strange lead from my point of view: I would have led the @s6|pg||
nt|Vugraphu2: Sorry we were a moment late starting - logistics are always tricky in a new place. I'm afraid I didn't get th play to the first few tricks, so I'll only be able to give you a ...|pg||
nt|Vugraphu2: result in a moment. I'll make a guess from what's in the dummy :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hA|nt|henryb: We will probably survive|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|s4|pc|h2|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c1|st||md|3SJ64H8DQ872CJ8742,SA97HQ932DA9CAKQT,ST3HAJT54D643C953,SKQ852HK76DKJT5C6|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: Angelini-Versace  NS in the open room|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: we're ready in 2-3 minutes|pg||
nt|Walddk2: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|april7: either 2 @S or 2 @H by N if N opens 1NT and S transfers, stayman is not a good idea|pg||
nt|april7: but could work in this case|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 1NT  2@D  ;  2@H   a.p.   I think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: NS play strong club|pg||
nt|ralfwil: A @s contract will have a crossruff in the defence.|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: EO Lauria-Versace system|pg||
nt|xenya: a quiet partial for starters?|pg||
nt|bobh1: nobody can make much of anything on this one|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: NS strong club weakNT, 5 card majors|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: EO : roman club|pg||
nt|hedyg: NS can make 1 NT|pg||
nt|hedyg: welcome back Martin|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Lo Presti is each day here in BBO . It is one of the best young players in Italy|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: very goood|pg||
nt|hedyg: welcome to Nicoleta Giura, Peter Gill, Patrick Shields and Bill Frisby !|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: Buongiorno|pg||
nt|daman: Hi Simon|pg||
nt|xenya: hello everyone|pg||
nt|petergill: Hi everyone|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/  for BBO-TV. Watch all  vugraph rooms at the same time, even while playing or in the lobby. No download needed. Some need Flash Player 9, some don't. ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: Open one browser window per table|pg||
nt|hedyg: this match is much closer than the other one. is that why we only get this one Simon?|pg||
nt|daman: seems logical|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes madame|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok grz|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: the other match is finished|pg||
nt|xenya: is it the last segment in the match?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: angelini +120..no 3 segment|pg||
nt|hedyg: ah, that is a good reason not to show it :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: exactly|pg||
nt|daman: this is 3 of 3|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: NS strong club weak nt|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: eo : strong club, nt different vl \notvul|pg||
nt|stewball: still very formidable no doubt|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/  for BBO-TV. Watch all  vugraph rooms at the same time, even while playing or in the lobby. No download needed. Some need Flash Player 9, some don't. ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: Open one browser window per table|pg||
nt|hedyg: strong @c in NS|pg||
nt|stewball: respectable slam here but not on this layout|pg||
nt|athene: east will open 1@S and west will get moderately excited|pg||
nt|hedyg: W will bid 2@c|pg||
nt|Walddk3: I would say very excited|pg||
nt|athene: he does have a 22-count (19 in hcp, and 3 for lauria's play)|pg||
nt|athene: so might well force to 6@S|pg||
nt|stewball: 6nt may be the spot for them|pg||
nt|athene: of course, 6nt makes, if you guess well|pg||
nt|athene: but i doubt they will bid that|pg||
nt|caitlin: Greetings|pg||
nt|daman: 6@S will be down quickly with the obvious @H ruff|pg||
nt|caitlin: to watch open room or any other vugraph http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/ some need Flash 9 most don't|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: or 3c|pg||
nt|frankaus: interesting hand - where will the music stop??|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Hello Sergey & Roland :)|pg||
mb|1S|nt|april7: 1@C - 1@D or 1@H??|pg||
nt|april7: close decision|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty Simon|pg||
nt|xenya: NS may get to 2N then, which is 1 down |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: you welcome|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|rcerreto: agevole 4@h per n-s|pg||
nt|dinos1: think in 4@h|pg||
nt|kit: N-S can make a fortunate 4 of either major with the black suits behaving nicely|pg||
nt|frankaus: 4@H is my pick|pg||
nt|rcerreto: sorry, 4@h for n-s|pg||
nt|caitlin: Greetings|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Hello Kit and Frank|pg||
nt|hedyg: weak NT opening|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: NS : strong club|pg||
nt|hedyg: precision type?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: EO : Strong club Non vuln, vuln @D 5..nat|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
mb|p|nt|caitlin: Hi Kit Giorgio Hedy:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: hi Ellen|pg||
mb|2C|nt|Walddk2: Giubilo happy to defend|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: Simon will tell us|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: EO strong club precision|pg||
nt|hedyg: see? he is great!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: NS a very weird system...|pg||
nt|kit: South knows hearts are playable, but spades might be better -- does he have a way of finding out?|pg||
mb|2D|nt|othered1: Do you act with south's hand, nonvul, opposite a weak NT?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty Simon!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: uwlc|pg||
nt|caitlin: other room also in 6@S|pg||
mb|p|nt|chick: I don't :)|pg||
nt|rcerreto: 2NT was not a walk in the park|pg||
nt|petergill: 1@H 11-15, hence the 1NT reopening |pg||
nt|caitlin: hey Hedy:)|pg||
mb|2N|nt|Walddk2: Now they found the fit, but can they stop?|pg||
nt|xenya: 2@S is somewhat surprising?|pg||
nt|bjacobs: He will indeed be happy to defend - probably 4@S whacked|pg||
nt|bobh1: nonvul i think pass is indicated|pg||
nt|hedyg: ohhhhhhhh we know that system already LOL|pg||
nt|shevek: hello everyone :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: no idea what 2NT means|pg||
nt|daman: such a deadly auction|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: good choice but probably forcing, which is not so good|pg||
nt|hedyg: pass for me|pg||
nt|hedyg: he is too stong for 1NT opening and not strong enough for 1@c|pg||
nt|daman: in my yute I would have bid 1NT with the West hand|pg||
nt|petergill: 1@S probably makes, 2@S should go down, and 1NT looks like -1 |pg||
mb|3N|nt|vugraphzbg: do u rememmber?|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: last evening..|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|Walddk5: ciao a tutti|pg||
nt|hedyg: ciao Rolando :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: misunderstanding...|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2 different explains N and S|pg||
nt|hedyg: obviously|pg||
nt|shevek: useful to have bids that say: misunderstanding :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: very lucky grand|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: S mistake....he apologized to his p|pg||
nt|hedyg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: scusiiiiiiiiiiiiii|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ahh|pg||
nt|hedyg: in your youth overcalls were stronger than today|pg||
mb|p|nt|ralfwil: Now the crossruff is evident|pg||
nt|bjacobs: He knows about partner's heart singleton ...|pg||
nt|april7: thats what I was afraid of|pg||
nt|othered1: We Kaplan-Sheinwold players would pass without thought|pg||
nt|rcerreto: but north (sensibly) chose to show his suit|pg||
nt|kit: might not have been clear that the double was penalty oriented, though I think it should be|pg||
nt|dinos1: 3@dX is down 4 but NS wont X but prefer 4@h|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2Nt is a aggressive bid - typical versus 2@D multi - played from many strong pairs|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: reverse count EO|pg||
nt|daman: which means 1NT would make EW|pg||
nt|caitlin: not yet in slam|pg||
mb|4C|nt|xenya: borderline if 1N is 13-15|pg||
nt|hedyg: 12-14 NT Simon?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes NS weak nt and strong club|pg||
nt|hedyg: NT=9-11nv. 14-15 vul|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: exactly..it depends on vul...|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: so this should be -1|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c= balanced or semibalanced 12+ can have 5M 3 3 2, or 5+@c 10+|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|hedyg: can also be 5 @D 3 3 2 LOL|pg||
nt|hedyg: but then 12 +|pg||
nt|fabsayc: so natural|pg||
nt|daman: I was so much younger then|pg||
nt|caitlin: now they are|pg||
mb|4D|nt|caitlin: no alert do we assume penalty?|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 4 top losers not the best start. I think Giubilo should have hammered this|pg||
mb|5C|nt|ralfwil: W has a good double!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Oh he did|pg||
nt|xenya: yes the double stands out|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: good choice|pg||
nt|caitlin: Hi George:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: opening 1 @c with 3 2 5 3 is natural?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: north hand is either a weak no trump or 1@C opening for me|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d is strong|pg||
nt|fabsayc: yeSS|pg||
mb|6S|nt|kit: East will probably shift to a club, hoping his partner has the queen -- that spade suit is very threatening|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i think so|pg||
nt|frankaus: we have a (very strange IMO) rule here that no X is alertable|pg||
nt|caitlin: no other hope|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Same here Frank|pg||
nt|caitlin: ty Frank:)|pg||
nt|kit: Also East doesn't really want to force dummy to ruff, as then his queen of hearts will have to fall since no finesse possible|pg||
nt|bridge_one: DBL is penalty, ask pass with a normal open by North - having 6/4 with few points 3@H is correct |pg||
nt|rcerreto: in italy, x must be alerted only when showing some very specific holding|pg||
nt|kit: I don't agree -- I think North should pass, and if South doubles 3@D north should pass that also|pg||
nt|dinos1: yes, it's better if specific X is alerted|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Pessimistic view by Intonti in the other room, with no interference|pg||
mb|p|nt|ralfwil: Why not @hA? |pg||
nt|xenya: no hurry|pg||
nt|Walddk2: This will be expensive. 500 out of thin air. Palmieri had a pass over 2@H in my opinion|pg||
nt|stewball: nunes trying to coax a @h control....|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|stewball: and got one|pg||
pc|h8|nt|xenya: agreed|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg||
nt|caitlin: that tells it all|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|hedyg: on a @s lead 9 tricks in NT?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He must be used to *very* weak Multis|pg||
pc|h6|nt|chick: provided E plays a club after the hearts (very likely of course)|pg||
nt|hedyg: duck in tempo?|pg||
pc|s4|nt|april7: even 800|pg||
nt|hedyg: oh well|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
nt|xenya: he has to play it well to go down just 1  |pg||
nt|daman: up Simba|pg||
pc|s6|mc|11|nt|Walddk2: How?|pg||
nt|kit: agree Roland -- I think South's proper game try opposite a weak 2 is to bid game and try to make it|pg||
nt|frankaus: excelent chapter in Peter Hall ( competative bidding at pairs) book on X  - well worth a read if you can find a copy in your bridge library|pg||
nt|petergill: Ricardo Intonti playing his highest spades at Tricks 1-2-3 might indicate his entries in the higher ranking suits. |pg||
nt|daman: a la prochaine|pg||
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qx|o2|st||md|4SKJ9863HAJD85C632,SATHKT62DJ93CAT74,S52H9854DAK72CJ98,SQ74HQ73DQT64CKQ5|sv|n|nt|henryb: My view of the W hand is that if the @s are good enough to bid they are good enough to lead!|pg||
nt|jtr: 1@s looked odd  Might have triend 1NT myself|pg||
nt|Walddk2: And welcome to Mark Horton, live from Boston|pg||
nt|bigtrain: i'd go a step further -- even though they aren't good enough to bid i would lead them|pg||
nt|chessmaste: Fresh from the Manchester Derby|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|jtr: Horse Race?|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|nt|henryb: I wonder whether N-S will wind up in the 3-3 @c fit|pg||
nt|chessmaste: Rooney won by a  short  head|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 1NT likely|pg||
nt|bigtrain: advantage of playing semi-forcing vs forcing NT|pg||
nt|jtr: East doesnt want to lead  I dont blame him....|pg||
mb|p|nt|henryb: if 1N were forcing, 2@c is a very possible contract|pg||
nt|jtr: But he found a cracker|pg||
nt|jtr: We think south is Hanlon not Bakhshi|pg||
nt|jtr: He and Hackett played in the pairs|pg||
nt|chessmaste: Awkward for declarer who would like to play diamonds from dummy|pg||
nt|jtr: Bakhshi's wife confirmed it She should know her husband:)|pg||
nt|chessmaste: Perhaps he should go up with the ace and run a diamond?|pg||
nt|bigtrain: seems like the best approach|pg||
nt|jtr: The only one?|pg||
nt|dburn: surprising to see Paul Hackett take this long to make a play - he is usually very fast|pg||
nt|jtr: ah maybe North is wrong!|pg||
nt|jtr: Could be Garvey|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s9|pc|h2|pc|c8|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|jtr: Are we back?:)|pg||
nt|jtr: Is there life out there?|pg||
nt|jtr: Seems there is some  Human too i think|pg||
nt|Vugraphu2: I'm sorry about this, for some reason the BBO server isn't taking input from here. Hackett made 1NT on the second board and we are now on board 3|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c2|st||md|4SKJ9863HAJD85C632,SATHKT62DJ93CAT74,S52H9854DAK72CJ98,SQ74HQ73DQT64CKQ5|sv|n|nt|hedyg: though cannot bid it|pg||
nt|Walddk5: Good morning to Patrick Shields|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: Hi all - difficult to say who will end up wining this hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: hi Patrick, welcome|pg||
nt|shevek: anyone opening 1@s with east?|pg||
nt|hedyg: that was giving up|pg||
nt|daman: a quick 5 IMPs to the trailing team|pg||
nt|petergill: One would think declarer played @H at Trick 12 for -1, not @D at Trick 12 for -2.|pg||
mb|p|nt|chick: partscore battle coming here|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 3NT and 5@C available for N-S. 3NT a little scary though|pg||
nt|kit: After likely 1@S opening by South and 2@C overcall, North may well go right to 4@H|pg||
nt|Walddk2: E-W rather|pg||
nt|hedyg: pd expects opening HCPs :(|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: is this 2D showing both majors ?|pg||
nt|hedyg: anybody have a gadget to open this?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@D flannery|pg||
nt|hedyg: Simon is this multi?|pg||
mb|2S|nt|Walddk2: How high will Mariani compete in hearts at these colpurs I wonder|pg||
nt|kit: He will certainly bid 4@H opposite the known balanced hand|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 4 losers in a heart contract|pg||
nt|dinos1: over 1N he may bid 4@h|pg||
nt|kit: And now East may be coming in with 4@S if his partner shows strength!|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 1Nt is a good chose - more easy now to bid 4@H by North|pg||
nt|bridge_one: probably 4@C big texas for @H|pg||
nt|bridge_one: if west pass|pg||
nt|frankaus: traffic lights red V green a scarry situation with such a "round" hand IMO|pg||
nt|hedyg: ohhhhhhhhhhhh |pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: and a swing coming as expected. North in 2NT on 1 in the OR|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@D of strong club|pg||
nt|april7: 3NT by N because 5@D goes down|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches : http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|caitlin: To watch open room bidding try http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/ some need Flash 9 most don't|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Lo Presti may think he will be saving in 5@C|pg||
nt|Walddk2: the best saves are the ones that make|pg||
nt|kit: or at least get a plus score by driving the opponents too high|pg||
nt|hedyg: with 6 @ss?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 5-4  at least|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: I am afraid NS might go to high again|pg||
nt|bobh1: NS might have ten tricks in @s's|pg||
nt|kit: now, will East bid 4!?|pg||
nt|kit: Will South double?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He has got to bid 5@C next, then let's see what happens|pg||
nt|caitlin: the bidding called for heart and as Garazzo says.....if you don't lead a singleton vs suit contract, you don't have one:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: EW have a decent save in 5@h here|pg||
nt|hedyg: 4@s now|pg||
nt|Walddk4: http://psbridge.gotdns.com/bbo/allvug/  - Hand Records(PDF)|pg||
nt|hedyg: looks like a 3rd seat " i dont want to open 1@d with this" opening|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S =4@H with singleton|pg||
nt|bridge_one: having the singleton in black suit better to protege the K in @D|pg||
nt|kit: Will West pull, since he heard his partner not open initially so spades likely not that good?|pg||
nt|caitlin: a vulnerable disciplined weak 2|pg||
pc|d3|nt|ralfwil: Correct, but I see no reason to land in another contract than 3nt|pg||
nt|xenya: 4@S here probably, and likely to be made|pg||
nt|athene: this looks like one down|pg||
nt|athene: losing two spades, three clubs and a heart|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: lauria-nunes lead 3\5th|pg||
pc|dA|nt|bobh1: Doubt if they will save though as they may think they have a chance to beat 4@s|pg||
nt|hedyg: right so it's not the best solution for opening the hand|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i agree|pg||
nt|Walddk5: F never is|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: but you just explain that you have 2 suits|pg||
pc|d4|nt|hedyg: X= stolen bid|pg||
nt|kit: Doubling what is under his nose.  I agree, though it doesn't work well this time|pg||
nt|hedyg: right Roland!|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|april7: 4NT and stop|pg||
nt|kit: South is afraid that if he doesn't double his partner might bid more|pg||
nt|dinos1: pass|pg||
nt|kit: South has no reason I can see to do anything.|pg||
nt|caitlin: soft values no sure tricks|pg||
nt|kit: Even thinking by South looks like an overbid to me|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Maybe he thinks they are in a forcing pass situation|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It wouldn't be for me|pg||
nt|dinos1: 4@h was weak bid, isnt it?|pg||
nt|kit: can't be in forcing pass -- North doesn|pg||
nt|bridge_one: i think pass at 4@S without any defencive tricks would be a better bid|pg||
nt|kit: north doesn't have to have strength for the 4@H call|pg||
nt|caitlin: and shouldn't he be pleased to pass with East bidding spades.....take his chance they go down|pg||
pc|s2|nt|ralfwil: not after 1@d, 2@d from S|pg||
nt|april7: N will give up and should|pg||
nt|fabsayc: seems dubious to use 2@S as a heart raise, too easy for opponents to get in|pg||
nt|chick: right bob, with diamonds and spades so friendly, might make 4@S, but very hard to bid I think|pg||
nt|hedyg: its a micro splinter|pg||
nt|hedyg: i like the 2@s bid|pg||
nt|hedyg: wd not to lead @c|pg||
nt|athene: hi everyone...|pg||
nt|petergill: Win ace, heart to nine maybe?|pg||
nt|daman: he will now set up his @H suit for profit|pg||
nt|hedyg: but 10@H is on side|pg||
nt|daman: Hi william|pg||
nt|petergill: Hi William|pg||
nt|xenya: a passive lead -- doesn't work out too well here|pg||
nt|stewball: discipline is a moving target|pg||
pc|s4|nt|hedyg: and here even less than usual, but lucky to find pd with 5 @ss|pg||
nt|hedyg: welcome Bill|pg||
nt|hedyg: grz Simon|pg||
pc|s8|nt|bjacobs: North has a pretty good hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: on a @H "guess"|pg||
nt|fabsayc: the idea is ok, but better if you switch meaning of 2@S  and 2NT|pg||
pc|sT|pg||
nt|hedyg: i guess they are playing the Versace / Lauria system|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: more or less|pg||
nt|daman: EW in 3@C in the OR|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: team system:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://tinyurl.com/539d3g|pg||
nt|athene: yes, it would be easier for Nunes to adapt than Lauria, since L-V play pretty much standard|pg||
nt|stewball: i know at least one good team that would not consider this a weak 2 in first position|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: lauria-nunes,lauria-versace,giubilo-versace,giubilo-lauria|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
pc|d9|nt|caitlin: so much for theorizing:)|pg||
nt|dinos1: with badly placed @cK?|pg||
pc|dK|nt|bjacobs: The issue is perhaps the sterile shape|pg||
nt|kit: yes, but if South passes 4@S there is always the third opponent (partner) who might bid more.  I agree with the double.|pg||
pc|d6|nt|daman: hrrrrmmmmm|pg||
pc|d8|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Well, forcing pass is all I can think of, cos he has no penalty double of 5@C as I see it|pg||
nt|hedyg: other minor!!!!|pg||
nt|hedyg: oh well......|pg||
nt|xenya: a @D would have been aggressive -- and much better as the cards lie|pg||
nt|daman: double dummy|pg||
nt|petergill: Spade lead works better than a club lead. |pg||
pc|s5|nt|bobh1: if they have a @s fit, you probably won't talk them out of it whether you bid 2@s or not|pg||
nt|daman: I think his @S lead was thoughtful|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|caitlin: apparently Fantoni not playing as he is not feeling well|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s9|nt|hedyg: he did|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|xenya: good choice by N -- i wouldn't have been so pessimistic with his hand|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dT|nt|hedyg: end of guess|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|chick: talking them out of a bad spade suit with 4-1 split ?|pg||
nt|athene: nunes can see there's no rush to cash anything|pg||
mc|7|nt|kit: not even close to a double.  Zero sure defensive tricks.|pg||
nt|athene: there are no discards coming|pg||
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qx|o3|st||md|1SQJ9832HAK9DQ76C7,SHQJT8765D93CJ863,SAKT754H2D82CAQ95,S6H43DAKJT54CKT42|sv|e|nt|jtr: Thank you kind specs for the reassurance:)|pg||
nt|henryb: Since the team includes David Bakshi and not Tome Hanlon, it is probable that the first posting was correct|pg||
nt|Vugraphu2: For this match, we will stay at this table and cover only the Hackett-Nickell match from here. We will then be moving arojnd the room to get other matches. Sorry|pg||
nt|jtr: No, it is correct now|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg||
nt|Vugraphu2: south is in 2@s at the other table|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg||
mc|11|nt|henryb: they could have done much better with a @d ruff and a @c switch|pg||
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qx|c3|st||md|1SQJ9832HAK9DQ76C7,SHQJT8765D93CJ863,SAKT754H2D82CAQ95,S6H43DAKJT54CKT42|sv|e|nt|daman: and we're off|pg||
nt|kit: 6@D is on picking up the diamond suit -- no luck today|pg||
nt|hedyg: surely not by ducking @H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2|pg||
nt|hedyg: -2|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: -2|pg||
nt|fabsayc: oh sorry, they were in 3|pg||
nt|chick: I think -2 is right|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes lost 1 @D in the end|pg||
nt|chick: 6@C|pg||
nt|hedyg: slam time|pg||
nt|bobh1: i think S will guess the @c's right|pg||
nt|fabsayc: does the rabbi's rule apply|pg||
nt|Walddk2: x  QJxxxxxx  xx  xx   wouldn't you bid 4@H over double?|pg||
nt|kit: I agree Roland.  North is in charge of the auction once South opens 1NT|pg||
nt|dinos1: 8@h is 8 :)|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: both EW pairs were luckyto have such an effective gadget in their bag|pg||
nt|Walddk5: Good morning William|pg||
nt|shevek: F was not a good idea after all|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: to get them to 4S before the oppo started|pg||
nt|athene: hi good morning everyone!|pg||
nt|hedyg: hi Bill, welcome|pg||
nt|petergill: Hi everyone|pg||
nt|Walddk5: and good evening to Peter Gill|pg||
nt|shevek: hi Bill |pg||
nt|hedyg: and Bill :)|pg||
nt|shevek: and hi peter|pg||
nt|petergill: If hearts were led from dummy at Trick 2, Intonti might insert the queen to try to mislead declarer. |pg||
nt|daman: strong @C auction upcoming?|pg||
mb|1S|nt|daman: looks like a failing slam for EW should they manage to get there|pg||
nt|chick: lol|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|athene: north will be surprised to hear 1@S from his partner :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: psyche?|pg||
nt|caitlin: an easy 4@S once they see no diamond controls|pg||
nt|stewball: Nunes sorely tempted.......|pg||
mb|3H|nt|Walddk2: 3NT or 5@D|pg||
nt|april7: only 8 tricks in NT|pg||
nt|kit: 4@S normal contract.  North can give declarer a guess in diamonds with a diamond shift|pg||
nt|caitlin: or could get to 5 true..looking for diamond controls|pg||
mb|4H|nt|vugraphzbg: hi all|pg||
nt|Walddk2: ciao Simon|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry for connections problems!|pg||
nt|ady: 3 games available for e/w    could get overboard with 6@D|pg||
nt|daman: Hi Simon|pg||
nt|kit: good 2@S bid at this vulnerabilty -- opponents have a sure game, and the preempt my damage their auction -- little risk|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@D relay|pg||
nt|hedyg: this an upgrade of the 10+ HCPs 5+@c version of the 1 @c opening|pg||
nt|hedyg: you guys missed the F opening last board!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: good morning|pg||
nt|petergill: Intonti won the Brilliancy Prize for the Best Play at the World Junior Teams in 1999, he's a very talented card player. |pg||
nt|petergill: 1@C 16+ any shape|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i don't like pass with N cards...5-4 majors...S 17+|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: dbl|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Strange that East can't bid a natural, forcing 3@D|pg||
nt|ady: would assume 3@D not forcing  after 2@S?|pg||
nt|kit: Dbl looks strange -- 3@D seems more normal -- maybe 3@D would not be forcing?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Correction. Versace opened a systemic 2@D, 2NT enquiry, 3@D and 3NT|pg||
nt|april7: its a better spot than playing in @C|pg||
nt|othered1: 1@D denies a balanced hand?|pg||
nt|bobh1: I'll say|pg||
nt|hedyg: but Roland didnt :)|pg||
nt|Walddk5: Bill and Gill, what a rhyme. Who arranged that?|pg||
nt|athene: let me check on the movie and enjoy the moment|pg||
nt|athene: presumably any bid from north wld have been a positive, GF|pg||
nt|hedyg: double might show HCPs|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 6 with 9 cards major...|pg||
mb|4S|nt|daman: upping the ante|pg||
nt|hedyg: well he has 2 extra @cs..|pg||
nt|caitlin: and 8 is no tricks:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: S can (should) bid again|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: now this 3@S bid doesn't make much sense -- doesn't take any real room, and give opponents a fielders choice|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|xenya: S could have something like AKJxxx x Ax xxx|pg||
nt|chick: but not 10 points ..|pg||
nt|bobh1: yes but the @d Q may not be pulling full weight|pg||
nt|chick: or any weight at all :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: beauty is in the eye of the beholder:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: enough weight for a slam|pg||
nt|chick: nah, it could be the @d2 and still have the same slam|pg||
nt|petergill: Many Italians would Pass, not bid 2@C, at this vulnerability. |pg||
nt|daman: D'Avossa has taken the lead in the match     they made 1NT on the last Board in the OR to pick up 5 more|pg||
mb|5C|nt|daman: maybe they play negative free bids of some sort|pg||
nt|kit: West might well have gone for a penalty, but maybe double would not be penalty|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I can understand negataive free bids at the 2-level, although I don't like them, but the 3-level, that is going too far in my opinion|pg||
nt|kit: I agree Roland|pg||
nt|lestergold: 3N should discourage E|pg||
nt|hedyg: EW play Roman @c|pg||
nt|athene: north will be aware that 4@H didn't leave his partner much room|pg||
mb|p|nt|fabsayc: this is one hard slam to diagnose however|pg||
nt|bridge_one: many pair in italy use multi with weak 6 cards in majors, and 2@H/@S with 10/11 hcp and 6 cards - costructive|pg||
nt|kit: If North does find the defense, should declarer get it right?  I think so.  Here is why ....|pg||
nt|dinos1: now @d shift and dcl will rather guess|pg||
nt|frankaus: may be the lead gives the game away - wontt usually have @HAK + @DA|pg||
nt|kit: Suppose North has ace of diamonds.  Might it not be right to shift to a club in case partner has king of clubs and declarer queen of diamonds?|pg||
nt|hedyg: FYI Simon told us: NS play precision type strong @c and EO : Strong club Non vuln, vuln @D 5..nat|pg||
nt|daman: one more time|pg||
mb|5H|nt|april7: should go 1 down|pg||
nt|xenya: EW can make 3@S butb they can hardly get in|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Might West open?|pg||
nt|april7: no Aces!!!|pg||
nt|bjacobs: It's a piece of cheese, but the 10's are tasty|pg||
nt|xenya: he might but it's not a good opening in my view|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Versace opened 2@C|pg||
nt|ralfwil: Not so far away with two solid suits|pg||
nt|othered1: I guess responder doesn't canape here|pg||
nt|petergill: Best to duck @SQ, as N is more likely to make bad switch than S is|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: N will spend the rest of this deal trying for slam and S will spend it resisting|pg||
nt|chick: yes, the opps are putting a lot of pressure on|pg||
nt|hedyg: N cant bid 3@H?|pg||
nt|athene: yes, you really need a good suit and/or hand for 2@C there|pg||
nt|petergill: Intonti and d'Avossa won the World Junior Teams for Italy in 1999, but not in the same partnership. |pg||
nt|hedyg: Nunes should be able to find the @D lead now|pg||
nt|athene: that's why he goes on over 4@S...south could still have what he needs|pg||
mb|5S|nt|kit: East still has a strong hand, and he hasn't shown it yet -- must bid 4@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: he seems to have decided to go for game|pg||
nt|kit: but with queen of diamonds, diamond shift is easy, since if declarer has ace, no chance|pg||
nt|caitlin: now they should settle in 5|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: N-S playing Precision in the other room|pg||
nt|bobh1: who will win the tug of war?|pg||
nt|hedyg: how about now|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: 3Nt over 3@S i think means strong hand (after DBL)|pg||
nt|ady: this is getting dangerous|pg||
nt|lestergold: trouble is we do not know whetherc 4H is a suit or a cue|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Remember that East is facing a strong club. It will be difficult to stop him|pg||
nt|othered1: though it looks like west thinks east might have longer @H|pg||
nt|hedyg: based on the @d misfit?|pg||
nt|athene: normally you are happy when opps let you play at the 2-level in a 6-3 fit|pg||
mb|p|nt|xenya: yes, S's hand looks more suitable for opening|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@s! why 4@c?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: a moment...|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol ok|pg||
nt|chick: because S is still resisting :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: Biondo - Intonti , D'Avossa- Mallardi|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: Di bello - Di bello|pg||
nt|hedyg: obviously NS do not play support double|pg||
pc|d9|nt|lestergold: were on the way|pg||
nt|daman: they might get lucky and stay out of slam |pg||
nt|hedyg: if you decide to open take responsibility for your opening|pg||
nt|caitlin: a guess Kit ...|pg||
nt|dinos1: also N didnt X 2@s|pg||
nt|bridge_one: rigth KIT :)|pg||
nt|kit: I don't see inference regarding north having AK of hearts -- he still wouldn't have an overcall with the ace of diamonds, and the aceor queen of diamonds don't know where the AK of ...|pg||
nt|kit: hearts is when the hand is dealt|pg||
nt|athene: they might do|pg||
nt|hedyg: and did|pg||
nt|athene: this aution pretty much says "we have lots of tricks but are off @DAK"|pg||
pc|d2|nt|Walddk2: Same contract|pg||
nt|hedyg: oh my|pg||
nt|petergill: Hard for East to get West in, to get his heart ruffs.  |pg||
nt|athene: i don't think this auction completely rules out the possibility|pg||
pc|dK|nt|bobh1: a runaway train here|pg||
nt|othered1: not doubled yet in 5@C|pg||
nt|xenya: what's going on here?|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
nt|daman: no such luck  |pg||
nt|lestergold: not really that bad a slam but unlucky|pg||
nt|bjacobs: He has the required aces :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: N says: do you have a @c control; S replies: "I was only kidding with my 1@c bid"|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@H ask stop|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: other bids natural|pg||
nt|bobh1: or @s control i meant|pg||
pc|dA|nt|hedyg: 3@s would deny that, wouldnt it and show the A@s in passing?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: alert as asking stop|pg||
nt|hedyg: claim 12|pg||
nt|chick: that's a common problem when you open lighter than your system requires....  you tend to spend the rest of the auction saying "I was only kidding..."|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: misunderstanding i thought|pg||
nt|caitlin: over 2@S would North really X or bid with AK A?|pg||
nt|hedyg: likely?|pg||
nt|athene: yes - that's why you should usually be more inclined to lead a singleton, the weaker your hand|pg||
pc|d7|nt|kit: If south fails to lead ace of hearts slam has a chance, but he will lead it|pg||
nt|ady: why would 3NT be strong George    has to bid something   seems 3NT would show some spade values and be discouraging in diamonds|pg||
nt|lestergold: odds of picking up qdims either dopping onsid for a finesse greater than 50%|pg||
nt|othered1: confusion over responder's rebid, I'd guess|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: something wrong|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: with no entries in West hand, declarer might even get away with an overtrick|pg||
pc|d3|nt|bobh1: neither N nor S have a clear double |pg||
nt|othered1: West seems to think east has made a slam try with long @H, which it might be in, say, BlueTeam Club.  East was trying simply to avoid @D|pg||
nt|bobh1: it is always difficult to evaluate voids, but when they are in the suit your partner opened, that is a clear danger signal|pg||
nt|petergill: But the good @H switch might beat 2@C |pg||
pc|d8|pg||
nt|bobh1: E's 2@c bid was therefore unwarranted|pg||
nt|athene: but i think east was just looking for a safe lead, rather than having any great hopes of a ruff or two|pg||
pc|h4|nt|kit: but the preempt lowers those odds considerably|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Not after the pre-empt|pg||
nt|lestergold: true|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Now odds change considerably|pg||
nt|bridge_one: now South can claim|pg||
nt|hedyg: well S could have 10 with 5 @c 3 3 2..|pg||
nt|hedyg: so why should N get excited?|pg||
nt|hedyg: it said: please lead @d|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o4|st||md|2SJ654HJ975DK74C43,SKQ73HAQ8D9653CA6,SHKT2DQJT8CQT9872,SAT982H643DA2CKJ5|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|c8|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|s7|pc|c9|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|cK|pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c4|st||md|2SJ654HJ975DK74C43,SKQ73HAQ8D9653CA6,SHKT2DQJT8CQT9872,SAT982H643DA2CKJ5|sv|b|nt|Walddk2: Indeed|pg||
nt|Walddk2: This is exactly why it's hopeless that you bust double first with the East hand and introduce your suit at the 4-level|pg||
nt|kit: I would be quite pleased if that were the worst slam I ever reached|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That is not bidding economy, is it?|pg||
nt|ady: we might be talking diffedrently if the diamonds had beden kinder|pg||
nt|lestergold: ineed Davisd|pg||
nt|bridge_one: probably DBL means or balanced hand, or one suit long and solid (with AKxxxxx is near to |pg||
nt|april7: it was a present|pg||
nt|ralfwil: Yes! That will break the contract|pg||
nt|april7: but only once @D than @H|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Tricky|pg||
nt|xenya: but only a 5-imp loss -- not a big deal|pg||
nt|chick: lucky it wasn't 15 :)|pg||
nt|fabsayc: perhaps north should cue bid directly over 2@H|pg||
nt|kit: anyway, North chose to shift to a club.  I don't see how that can be a winner -- does anybody see how it can?|pg||
nt|caitlin: open room in 3@H E-W of course|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: was that really 4 tricks less int he other room?|pg||
nt|athene: yes, i was just looking at the play from the other room|pg||
nt|hedyg: same lead, yes|pg||
nt|athene: same contract, same opening lead....2 down|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: declearer played @H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 6@D?|pg||
mb|1N|nt|athene: after 1@D 1@H, i don't think east will want to pass|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2 finesses on, very lucky|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 7...because everything is in finesse|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: E-W will do well to get to 5@D now ... and make it|pg||
nt|chick: I give the fault to S for not bidding the @SA|pg||
nt|hedyg: double surely was relay|pg||
nt|Walddk2: No, declarer can't be without @DA *and* @CK for a constructive weak 2|pg||
mb|2H|nt|kit: Now let's see if East can locate the heart stopper for 3NT in their methods|pg||
nt|lestergold: 3N played by West looks the sound spot|pg||
nt|bobh1: not a big deal imp-wise, but the kind of auction that indicates you need to go back to the drawing board system wise|pg||
nt|bridge_one: to chose @C by North is a ply for exclusion ... @D not good (for the reason you explained), @H no, @S no ,,, so rest only @c|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: good fits both ways here - question is who sells out|pg||
nt|hedyg: 15-17 NT|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: my guess is this will be 4@SX|pg||
nt|petergill: 4@D Splinter|pg||
nt|athene: 6@D isn't a bad spot on a heart lead|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@s denies @ss|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@S : dbl without @S|pg||
mb|3S|nt|april7: otherwise S gets discard on K of @D|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 4@H too for that matter|pg||
nt|xenya: indeed|pg||
nt|chick: right on|pg||
nt|othered1: 1@D was forcing. Best I cam make from a very old book summarizing Roman, is that 2@D wasn't forcing on last hand.|pg||
nt|kit: and even if he is without both of those cards, doesn't partner always get his king of clubs anyway?|pg||
nt|caitlin: how constructive are their weak twos? and same for both pairs?|pg||
nt|athene: even if the @DK is wrong you have the chance of bringing in all the spades for a club pitch|pg||
nt|daman: they should slither into the @S game pretty easily|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: 5@C by West is secure also|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Would you all overcall 2@S?|pg||
nt|bobh1: others have also said that 2@d was NF|pg||
nt|hedyg: i believe pass by S was forcing|pg||
nt|hedyg: either weak or strong|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: not at all..but is conventional|pg||
nt|kit: declarer has to have 13 cards somewhere|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Vul against not they should be sound no matter what your agreement is|pg||
nt|hedyg: if no @c lead|pg||
nt|athene: on a club lead it's worse, of course|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@H seems to ask for a stopper|pg||
nt|petergill: 3NT looks the likely bid, I think|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@s = 4 cards minimum|pg||
mb|4S|nt|daman: no way|pg||
nt|lestergold: of course with lie of ace of hearts it doesnt matter who declarers this one|pg||
nt|kit: I think I would -- big swing if you hit a fit|pg||
nt|bobh1: no one is suggesting that E pass 1@d|pg||
nt|hedyg: isn't that what they play?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|hedyg: last time we saw him pass in such a situation with a big hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: (memory working )|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Not least in 2nd seat|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: short diamonds is not going to encourage North|pg||
nt|athene: the italians use lots of splinters in competition - they feel it's the best way to help partner judge the auction - but singleton king isn't ideal, of course|pg||
nt|hedyg: 4@s should be -2 vs 4@H=|pg||
nt|petergill: North doubles, due to the misfitting @D being good for defence|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: 6@C a proposition  if declarer can guess what to discard on the diamonds|pg||
nt|bobh1: whatever they play, they seem to have talked EW out of a cold game|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i didn't read "either weak or strong"...:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: the same auction!|pg||
nt|xenya: :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: let's see if NS know what they are doing|pg||
nt|hedyg: :) ok|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: particularly if the opponents can't penalize me when I run into a misfit|pg||
nt|daman: and if you don't hit a fit they get the big swing|pg||
nt|kit: but they didn't get that big swing|pg||
nt|daman: not this time|pg||
nt|hedyg: helpppppppp! Simon?|pg||
nt|petergill: 2@H would ask for a stopper, 3@H should be a splinter, heart shortage, I think|pg||
nt|xenya: i think 3@H shows shortage with long @Ds|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@H long suit|pg||
nt|athene: are we sure there is no misunderstanding here?|pg||
nt|petergill: now 4@H shows the void.|pg||
nt|hedyg: and 4@H=exclusion?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: wait a moment:)|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|lestergold: the sapde bid will probably put them off 6C|pg||
nt|Walddk2: same auction in the open room, but North passed|pg||
nt|xenya: wisely too|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: weird double|pg||
nt|hedyg: welcome Martin Johnson|pg||
nt|bridge_one: probably 2@s to introduce a 5/5|pg||
nt|hedyg: when did W fall in love with his hand?|pg||
nt|daman: this contract is not chopped liver|pg||
pc|dA|nt|vugraphzbg: and lucky|pg||
nt|ralfwil: I think that 5@d needs a good guess in @c|pg||
nt|chick: 3N has possibilities although not guaranteed|pg||
pc|d7|nt|kit: that's the thing about preempts and light overcalls -- if the opponents always got you when they have you these would be losing propositions -- but often they don't get you |pg||
nt|fabsayc: good morning all|pg||
nt|fabsayc: east had a tough hand, i think he had to double to start with despite the ugly shape|pg||
nt|bobh1: E has at least one more bid over 2@d|pg||
nt|bobh1: I think 2@c was ok, then double|pg||
nt|hedyg: he didnt want to see 2@s from pd|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|lestergold: but if they do bid it they will know what to discard on the dims!|pg||
nt|daman: can't hit what you can't see|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 6@C are made because it is  impossible to open the ruff in @S for the defence, so 6@C + 1@Hruff+ K@H + A@S and 3@D|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Impossible for Lauria to know that partner has a stiff spade|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He can't do much more than 3@D I think|pg||
nt|xenya: now EW have a real chance|pg||
nt|fabsayc: you want to defend 2@D, i sure dont|pg||
nt|athene: the problem with showing a heart void is it makes the @CK lead that much more likely|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@S values|pg||
nt|petergill: d'Avossa having a very good set so far, with luck on their side|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4@H void|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: number even of aces void @H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: odd sorry|pg||
pc|s8|nt|hedyg: Martin played Roman @c for many years|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: good morning|pg||
nt|xenya: hello Martin|pg||
nt|chick: Hi Martin :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: if pd bids 2@s you go back to 3@c--you have made your point|pg||
nt|hedyg: odd nr of aces??|pg||
nt|hedyg: W?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: some mistake could happen|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sQ|nt|Walddk2: 6@D-1 was flat|pg||
nt|lestergold: well will not risk this|pg||
nt|kit: Not that slam is a bargain, but East never really made a move I don't think|pg||
nt|lestergold: wikll cash his tricks i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: he has to..@H switch could be dangerous|pg||
nt|ady: does rthe 2@C opening say one suited  about 11-15 pts?|pg||
nt|kit: well, can South really not have the ace of hearts for the overcall?  Will he bet the contract on this for the overtrick?|pg||
nt|bobh1: if pd insists on @s's, your holding is not so bad|pg||
nt|hedyg: and play 3@c in 5-1?|pg||
nt|dinos1: why not 3@d then?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: right - so i amn't sure about 2@s|pg||
nt|caitlin: surely not asking for stopper wtth 5-5|pg||
nt|petergill: @H10 is suit preference for @D|pg||
nt|stewball: nunes will have no problem|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
nt|ralfwil: Hello Hedy!|pg||
nt|athene: club ruff now probably|pg||
nt|stewball: one of the worlds great declarers|pg||
nt|athene: although it looks fairly easy (ruff a club and you can still pick up the @SJ) there are a few things to think about|pg||
nt|athene: it's not completely trivial to reach dummy to draw trumps|pg||
pc|d5|nt|kit: Very favorable lead for declarer -- why not lead known 5-card suit?|pg||
nt|athene: in the other room, declarer was allowed to get the clubs going for a diamond pitch|pg||
nt|athene: if you try to use a diamond ruff you might get overruffed|pg||
pc|d8|nt|bobh1: 3n may not be iron-clad, but you want to be in it red at imps|pg||
nt|caitlin: but who knows:)|pg||
nt|kit: But it still won't be enough|pg||
nt|kit: declarer has to try the diamonds -- when they are bad, he has nothing|pg||
nt|bridge_one: favorable lead but bad distribution of @D !|pg||
nt|kit: declarer has further problem that if he plays 3 rounds of diamonds, he might not get back to his hand to enjoy the AK of clubs, but he has to hope the defense doesn't realize that|pg||
nt|dinos1: not so bad - @dQ is on so has 8 tricks|pg||
pc|d2|nt|hedyg: must play 4 @ds to prevent a discard|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: same contract, reachesd after an initial pass from North in other room|pg||
pc|dK|pg||
nt|kit: he can't take diamond finesse, since then doesn't get long diamonds -- just has to play them from the top|pg||
nt|xenya: well 3N is about as good (or bad?) as 6@D -- looks like 5@D is best here|pg||
nt|hedyg: and to finesse in @H|pg||
pc|h5|nt|bridge_one: 2@C is similar at precision - one suit hand or 5+@C and another suit|pg||
nt|xenya: maybe 3N is not guaranteed but should be bid i think|pg||
nt|chick: easy now, set up diamonds|pg||
nt|fabsayc: first a club i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: cash ak @D|pg||
nt|caitlin: surely tho upon winning @DQ South should switch to spade|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg||
nt|petergill: @DK onside about 50%, @SQ onside about 50 to 60% of that makes 30%, spades breaking 3-3 about 1 in 3 chance ---> about 10% chance overall, slam rolls home  |pg||
pc|h2|nt|bridge_one: but after 3@C is 6 @C for sure|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He would have a few nervous moments after a duck and @HQ switch|pg||
nt|kit: of course he may get overtrick anyway if South has 3 or fewer diamonds|pg||
nt|hedyg: wd|pg||
pc|h4|nt|chick: If he did double and pard bid spades, I think should pass it|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Now the poor man has no tricks and will go at least 3 down|pg||
nt|kit: Now he will just go back to clubs and hope the defense can't take everything|pg||
nt|Walddk2: with best defence|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg||
nt|athene: Nunes led the diamond first to establish communications right away|pg||
nt|hedyg: K@c and 10@s now|pg||
nt|athene: Nunes has to decide whether to ruff a club in hand or two diamonds in dummy|pg||
nt|stewball: i dont think he will be playing trumps quite yet,,,|pg||
nt|athene: one further possibility is a loser on loser|pg||
nt|stewball: he might have tried ducking the first @h|pg||
pc|h8|nt|xenya: yes, this is percentage play with this holding|pg||
nt|kit: I don't see what he is hoping to do with this play|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h6|nt|fabsayc: i will send you the optimist supplement, hedy|pg||
nt|hedyg: rofl ty Martin|pg||
nt|caitlin: I do not understand the 3NT over 3@H unless 2@S by passed hand is now forcing to game|pg||
pc|h9|pg||
nt|fabsayc: conceeding two clubs is safe, playing on diamonds was not|pg||
nt|Walddk2: KQx onside I guess|pg||
nt|athene: in the other room south led the @DK but it wasn't overtaken - that's one advantage of the splinter of course :) partner knows to overtake|pg||
pc|cT|nt|april7: very good lead by N but in 3@D no problem|pg||
nt|dinos1: but he may hope for misdef in spades: play 4 rounds of @c - @h shift duck, and if S plays @s then made|pg||
nt|athene: can try the @CJ and that will solve all problems|pg||
nt|hedyg: try to work out why N isnt playing another @D|pg||
nt|caitlin: no harm trying|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg||
nt|kit: even if KQx onside, that's only 2 heart tricks -- not close to enough|pg||
mc|10|nt|Walddk2: 10 tricks, 2 IMPs to Posillipo|pg||
nt|xenya: however 5@D is not such a great contract, especially with trumps 4-1|pg||
nt|april7: and a trump lead!!!|pg||
nt|petergill: 3NT is about 50%. |pg||
nt|athene: yes but all that is for 7, not 6|pg||
nt|caitlin: wd|pg||
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qx|c5|st||md|3S32HAKQJ5DKQJT3C3,SKQJ985HT973D6CK7,SAT4H86D82CAT9654,S76H42DA9754CQJ82|sv|n|nt|ralfwil: But with open cards|pg||
nt|bobh1: E has a great hand--he forgot to bid it|pg||
nt|petergill: Sorry, my calscs wrong, about 25% plus (non club lead and pitch club on last spade) --> about 35% slam |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: D'Avossa lied about his number of aces...intonti was right explaining number odd of aces|pg||
nt|petergill: calcs|pg||
nt|stewball: he was always making|pg||
mb|p|nt|fabsayc: i believe vivaldi played a variation called "little roman"|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: 4@H looks like the final contract|pg||
nt|Walddk2: straightforward 4@S|pg||
nt|hedyg: unlucky 6 @c is down on bad split|pg||
mb|1H|nt|bobh1: i prefered "four seasons"|pg||
nt|fabsayc: which does not strictly follow roman canape principles|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Pass or 1@S in 3rd?|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: strong club system gives them more room here to find the slam|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c=strong|pg||
mb|1S|nt|Walddk2: South passed in the open room|pg||
nt|kit: depends a lot on partnership style I think|pg||
mb|2C|nt|kit: the light opening bid may propel them higher|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: will that be 1@S showing 2 controls?|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok ty Simon|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: dbl again|pg||
mb|3D|nt|bridge_one: Masoero is a old juoniores (my age) a friend of Lauria and Rosati (that dead very young(: |pg||
nt|hedyg: balanced 12 + here|pg||
nt|petergill: 1@C strong|pg||
mb|p|nt|fabsayc: 1@C redoubled would have been interesting|pg||
nt|bridge_one: with 2 ACES and a good suit in @s AJ10xx i agree to open|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d negative relay. 0-7|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@H or @H or 15-15 bal|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 15-17|pg||
nt|hedyg: Lauria loving it|pg||
nt|athene: lauria might even consider a double of 3nt|pg||
nt|hedyg: i doubt it, they overcall very light, especially nv vs vul|pg||
nt|caitlin: but would be very effective|pg||
nt|athene: yes - the italian overcall style means a simple overcall is often a "weak jump overcall" sort of hand|pg||
nt|caitlin: what other bid does North have?|pg||
nt|stewball: i wonder what a 2@s ocall looks like for them|pg||
nt|hedyg: W found a 3@s bid in OR, doubled by N and 4 @H in S|pg||
nt|athene: so you can't rely on partner having much defence|pg||
nt|stewball: something conventional?|pg||
nt|daman: probably 5-5|pg||
nt|caitlin: even 3@C|pg||
mb|3N|nt|kit: but the 1@S overcall will slow down West with 3 small spades |pg||
nt|frankaus: same strain in 2 directions  - not ususally a good idea|pg||
nt|kit: well, contracting for the same 7 tricks -- doesn't matter whether you are declaring or defending|pg||
nt|hedyg: maybe just 8+|pg||
nt|hedyg: ah no, you are right|pg||
nt|athene: well we saw a funky 3@D jump overcall last match showing 6@D 4@H |pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt : 5@S|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: asking|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: tah dah|pg||
nt|lestergold: well they have enuf to do in 4H as the cards lie|pg||
nt|april7: its not  a good idea to stay there|pg||
nt|Walddk2: http://tinyurl.com/539d3g  for the E-W    CC|pg||
nt|bjacobs: I don't that option is crossing his mind|pg||
nt|bjacobs: He's still trying to place enough cards in the right places for a possible slam|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i think so|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: quite true -- this is far from cold as the cards lie|pg||
nt|lestergold: not clear how he is going to make this with thuis horrible layout|pg||
nt|lestergold: a lot of spade and dim losers to deal with|pg||
nt|kit: and the stiff club lead cutting communications doesn't make it any easier|pg||
nt|daman: could  be a real mess|pg||
nt|hedyg: must be 2 ctrols|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1NT & 2@d relay|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i'll ask when the auction will finish|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
pc|s7|nt|hedyg: http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/  for BBO-TV. Watch all  vugraph rooms at the same time, even while playing or in the lobby. No download needed. Some need Flash Player 9, some don't. ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: Open one browser window per table|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: I'm sure it's impossible to forecast the path but with this space and good technique|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: we must expect EW to reach a slam|pg||
nt|hedyg: slowly..|pg||
nt|athene: but in general it seems to me they just rarely make jump overcalls of any king|pg||
nt|athene: kind|pg||
nt|hedyg: both rooms in game, 3NT and 4 @H|pg||
pc|s2|nt|kit: I imagine he'll try a diamond at trick 2 and scramble around|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Couldn't do it - and nor could I|pg||
nt|bobh1: E now knows his pd led a singleton|pg||
nt|hedyg: a good time to stop|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|daman: yes|pg||
nt|ady: suit splits unfortunate|pg||
nt|kit: problem is when North covers declarer will have to play the king, as can't afford to let North lead a spade through|pg||
nt|lestergold: scramble he might but iven he cant afford to let North in it won't be too rosy|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|petergill: Accurately stopped. |pg||
pc|s4|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Jxx - Kxx - KQxx - xxx would do it, but it's so unlikely ...|pg||
nt|bobh1: this is cold for a slightly fluky reason|pg||
nt|caitlin: South in 4@H in open room|pg||
nt|stewball: @c K|pg||
nt|caitlin: echo Hedy:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: another ducked @s first|pg||
pc|cK|nt|Walddk2: Good thing he did not go beyond game with that lead|pg||
nt|hedyg: can E find the @c lead because pld passed XX|pg||
nt|fabsayc: yes the 7-2 clubs|pg||
nt|fabsayc: would not help|pg||
nt|bobh1: @c lead doesnt beat it|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: but then we are always surprised  :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: 4@c he broke the relay|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: by what develops|pg||
nt|hedyg: if W had anything more of interest to bid he would have. 5@C= i have nothing more to say|pg||
nt|athene: if south makes the mistake of leading the @SA against 6nt, it could then make|pg||
nt|petergill: Much hard in Standard - if East responds 1@S to 1@H, West might go too high. |pg||
pc|cA|nt|ady: if he plays the clubs 4-2   might well ruff a low club|pg||
nt|lestergold: not best to overruff here|pg||
nt|bridge_one: yes - need don't play the J@H now|pg||
nt|kit: Declarer just playing for suits to split -- makes some sense|pg||
nt|kit: basically, he decided he couldn't come to 10 tricks without the club suit|pg||
nt|bobh1: S should have dropped the 9 on trick 1|pg||
nt|bobh1: not relevant on this layout tho|pg||
nt|hedyg: so we can assume that he showed the singleton @D with 3 @d|pg||
pc|c2|nt|hedyg: if he leads Q@C i doubt N takes 1st round|pg||
nt|athene: declarer has 11 tricks and south gets squeezed in the minors for the 12th|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: but we have stopped out of a very respectable slam, on just the right day|pg||
nt|shevek: it's a 68% slam, but sometimes the intuition works wonders, wd|pg||
nt|hedyg: with the bad @c split this is a lucky stop|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@S 8+ no 5 cards major|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt rel|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@C nat|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@D rel|pg||
nt|athene: looking at all the cards, you want to be in 6nt i think|pg||
nt|shevek: I do|pg||
nt|hedyg: and 3 @d Simon?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@D 6@C sgl @D|pg||
nt|daman: D'Avossa is pouring it on now    has good momentum|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|ady: if he overruffs  can set up 4 club tricks  but still cant make|pg||
nt|lestergold: poor decision|pg||
pc|d2|nt|hedyg: ok ty|pg||
nt|caitlin: nice switch|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dT|nt|lestergold: but the controlling J of clubs saves the day for then defence|pg||
nt|kit: Which south knows about -- he can count declarer's tricks, and see that there aren't 10|pg||
nt|fabsayc: he wants them to continue spades|pg||
nt|hedyg: and then can switch to Q@s|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
nt|fabsayc: amounts to the same thing|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|lestergold: he can set the clubs up but thats only nine tricks|pg||
nt|bridge_one: East will play for both aces in South (over all after the counterplay|pg||
nt|kit: so I think his defense is fine|pg||
nt|hedyg: and that beats it!|pg||
pc|s5|pc|d8|nt|Walddk2: In the other room Angelini led a strange heart|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Strange because you have two sequences to lead from|pg||
nt|athene: yes, very well done to stop at the 2-level|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|Walddk2: and choose  xxx|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Heart switch would be very disturbing for declarer after this .... although East should not have pitched one|pg||
nt|dinos1: why E didnt pitch @c?|pg||
nt|caitlin: but clear spades first|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|d3|nt|kit: not even 9 tricks -- only 4 clubs and 4 hearts off the top|pg||
nt|bjacobs: South opened 1@H|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Because he would be encouraging in clubs I suppose!|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@h-1@s-3@h-p|pg||
pc|c7|nt|athene: basically it just needs 3-2 clubs; you might think the @C9 gives you extra chances (singleton @CJ/@C10 with north)|pg||
nt|hedyg: -1|pg||
nt|athene: west wants some help in diamonds|pg||
nt|xenya: yes, 3@H can be made, but you don't want to be there|pg||
pc|c4|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Do they play odd/even?|pg||
nt|dinos1: only ood @c's? :)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He only had odd cards in clubs|pg||
nt|dinos1: that's why I dont use it) Always have wrong pairity|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|kit: it seems to me in this situation that which ever suit you discard that is automatically encouraging in the other suit -- luck of the spot cards shouldn't matter|pg||
mc|9|nt|april7: if @S would be 2-2 S would have to deblock in @D not to be endplayed for 11th trick|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That explains it|pg||
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qx|c6|st||md|4SQ63HT98542DKQT6C,SAT974H76DA8CAQ63,SK52HQ3D9542CT542,SJ8HAKJDJ73CKJ987|sv|e|nt|ady: did well to get our down 1|pg||
nt|bridge_one: well played by East, but may be a prsent the ruff with J in @h by South |pg||
nt|daman: a  multi or weak 2 @H to start|pg||
nt|xenya: some action here?|pg||
nt|kit: same number of tricks in both rooms -- but 100 per trick scores more than 30 per trick|pg||
nt|bridge_one: so the weak open lose 4IMP|pg||
nt|hedyg: i would have wanted to be in slam|pg||
nt|shevek: 4@h looks like the likely spot|pg||
nt|petergill: Me too. The 6NT bidders were unlucky|pg||
nt|hedyg: indeed|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: yep - but there is a serious chance of 4 losers|pg||
nt|athene: if you have to play Jxx facing Qxx, you try to guess which defender is likely to have a doubleton honour|pg||
nt|daman: they are in 4@H in the OR on Bd 5|pg||
mb|1C|nt|kit: reasonable weak 2@H opening here -- may push North too high|pg||
nt|Walddk2: If they bid slam, they will make it, but I doubt it|pg||
mb|1H|nt|hedyg: precision 1@d can be short in @d|pg||
nt|daman: time for a @D slam now?|pg||
mb|d|an|4-5 !S|nt|bridge_one: was better to play A in @H and K in @H, take all @C and search the final trick with K in @D and K in @S|pg||
nt|ady: 2@H  e/w ok|pg||
nt|daman: North might get involved at some point|pg||
nt|april7: 2@S by EW|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 1NT or 2@S?|pg||
nt|othered1: 1@C often 12-16 balanced|pg||
nt|hedyg: did not open 2@c......|pg||
nt|petergill: Suitable vulnerablility for NS to bid a lot of spades. |pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: I am a 2@S'er|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@h to encourage opps to bid more|pg||
nt|bobh1: a @d lead is needed to beat 4@h|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Although they did in the other room just now|pg||
nt|daman: 6@D is gin|pg||
nt|hedyg: maybe S shouldn't have passed then|pg||
nt|athene: south seems to have passed over 1@D|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@C double without @H|pg||
nt|hedyg: ahhhhhh ok!|pg||
mb|1N|nt|kit: I think West should bid 3@H pass or correct -- put the pressure on.  2@H does nothing|pg||
nt|Walddk2: If no interference of course|pg||
nt|fabsayc: if this is roman it is always a weak no trump,  probably 12-15 range|pg||
nt|dinos1: if cue 4@h now they'll bid it|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
mb|2D|nt|Walddk2: And as you see, E-W do not play support doubles|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Now you're a support doubler?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I am not|pg||
nt|bjacobs: It sounds like I've just terribly insulted you|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Partner can double, then he will get my 3-card support|pg||
nt|dinos1: 5@c?|pg||
nt|daman: they are in 3@H on Board 37 in the CR|pg||
nt|hedyg: so he is suggesting slam in either minor|pg||
nt|petergill: That's more like it - you'd always overcall spades at this vulnerability, either 1@S or 2@S |pg||
nt|athene: yes|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@D good support 4@S|pg||
nt|petergill: Plenty of Splinters, both by N and E|pg||
nt|caitlin: South isn't giving up|pg||
nt|hedyg: Nunes isnt either|pg||
nt|daman: nobody pushes South around|pg||
nt|stewball: non vul isnt the same as invul|pg||
mb|3N|nt|lestergold: i dont suppose thy have the machinery to play in 3d|pg||
nt|daman: I agree Kit|pg||
nt|caitlin: except Nunes??|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: 2N looks doomed|pg||
nt|kit: Pity N-S don't have a way to get to 3@D after this start -- that's what South wants to do|pg||
nt|daman: deep doo-doo|pg||
nt|april7: S might bid 3@C though|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: maybe 3@S|pg||
nt|april7: 1 down only|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: by EST|pg||
nt|ralfwil: One of my principles. Don´t deny a 4-card trumph support|pg||
nt|april7: EW can manage a @H ruff be W|pg||
nt|othered1: When did Roman drop the very strong hands from 1@C.  The system played in the 60's included it, I think.|pg||
nt|xenya: 5@D is a nice save despite the vulnerability|pg||
nt|bobh1: I think E should have bid 5@d rather than 4@d|pg||
nt|bobh1: i mean 3@h|pg||
nt|caitlin: 4@C takes up a lot of room...even tho it gives pd info|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Maybe 4@C already showed a void|pg||
nt|petergill: Sorry, only by E|pg||
nt|hedyg: there they are|pg||
nt|hedyg: wd|pg||
nt|athene: my guess is 3@D is some sort of 4-card spade raise|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: when the 21 points with n/s are more evenly split Kit  you might buy the contract in 2@H  going any highrt is likely to lead to a - score  and you have some defence if they play ...|pg||
nt|ady: the hand|pg||
nt|xenya: i would have bid 2@S over 2@C as E|pg||
nt|bridge_one: may be they play any gadgets, so can know the chicane in North ... but i amn't sure if they are on with 3Nt to give any singleton, and the rest for void|pg||
nt|caitlin: I would think 4@C shows majors and void??|pg||
nt|petergill: 3NT makes and is probably a superior contract to 4@H, I think|pg||
nt|petergill: Well bid, EW on a roll|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Support doubles number 22 on my list on "25 Conventions You Do Not Want to Learn", so it could have been worse|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: me too:)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Book to be released in April|pg||
nt|fabsayc: in little roman you open 1@D with the power hands|pg||
nt|bobh1: AKxx is pretty good support for a WJS|pg||
nt|chick: but he's vul with a lot of major suit losers|pg||
nt|athene: not specifically promising a stiff diamond|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|hedyg: well, so much for @d lead|pg||
nt|bobh1: low @d back might recover|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: small @D now|pg||
nt|hedyg: into KJx?|pg||
nt|petergill: NS missed their sacrifice|pg||
nt|hedyg: they have their bidding under control|pg||
nt|daman: no kidding   I would have taken the plunge to 6@S|pg||
nt|athene: hard to sac against a slam when you have two aces and the trump queen between you|pg||
pc|dA|nt|bjacobs: So already I play 2 on your Most Hated List|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I take orders from tomorrow|pg||
nt|ralfwil: After 3@c from S, W has a more difficult situation|pg||
nt|bjacobs: A support double here works so well - West bids 2@S, and there you are|pg||
nt|april7: since E didn't bid 2 @S he thinks he is to strong now and goes overboard|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Nothing prevented Lauria from bidding 2@S over the double|pg||
nt|chick: no reason to know about the Kx@S|pg||
nt|athene: but perhaps not impossible|pg||
pc|d2|nt|bjacobs: Except that he was a bit embarrassed about how good his hand was|pg||
nt|xenya: well yes, but W has 8 (!) of them -- could E expect that?|pg||
nt|bobh1: improbable perhaps but necessary|pg||
nt|hedyg: hmmm wouldn't partner lead @d if he wants to ruff?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Many play 4any as void|pg||
nt|caitlin: voila|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4@C void|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 4+cards raise and void (probably)|pg||
nt|caitlin: and a push|pg||
pc|d3|pg||
nt|xenya: that's true i think|pg||
nt|kit: quite likely the 4@C bid did show a void, as otherwise South might not have bid the slam himself|pg||
nt|bridge_one: the advantage to use 3Nt to give the singleton is to play 4 in the major without tell at opps your distribution|pg||
nt|dinos1: but if 4@c is just splinter N wd rebid 5@c|pg||
nt|kit: South has a problem at trick 1 -- does he risk a 6-1 diamond split?  I think he has to -- too much handling problems if he goes up ace|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 4@H need because without control in @D|pg||
nt|Walddk2: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|kit: if he plays low and survives, he has 8 trumps, 3 diamonds, 1 heart.  If he goes up, I think he will then have to take the heart finesse|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Would be more challenging at matchpoints when an overtrick might be available, as here|pg||
nt|frankaus: would not be feeling too hopeful at this point but hard to go off |pg||
nt|athene: declarer can't do anything with spades (danger of 5-3 diamonds) so will just cash|pg||
nt|hedyg: S is going to be soooooooo squeezed on @c|pg||
pc|cA|nt|april7: in OR only 1 down in 4@S|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: that's he has doubleton|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c7|nt|bridge_one: before declarer will play to K second in @h (if he play small @D now) - alternative is to play A in @d and finesse in @h|pg||
nt|kit: I wouldn't be worried about overtrick at matchpoints -- slam won't always be bid at other tables|pg||
nt|kit: I think he made the right play -- why must the doubler have 6 diamonds?  Odds are well against that|pg||
nt|Walddk2: But the ones who are in slam may not get a diamond lead|pg||
nt|kit: only 1/2 matchpoint at stake vs. others in slam.  Full matchpoint at stake vs. those in game -- so find best play for contract|pg||
nt|Walddk2: MP is a game I stay away from. I am hopeless (some will claim "at MP too?")|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|kit: I think he should lead queen of diamonds -- force East to use up his diamond entry or allow the jack of diamonds to score|pg||
nt|daman: if North had just bid 4@S   the sacrifice loomed large|pg||
nt|hedyg: careful now|pg||
nt|petergill: Declarer still has probelms - clubs being 5-1|pg||
nt|petergill: Cannot draw trumps until @HA is removed|pg||
nt|athene: the @HQ onside will be a pleasant bonus|pg||
pc|c3|nt|vugraphzbg: that's why|pg||
nt|hedyg: another chance to play @d|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: still time for a @d|pg||
nt|fabsayc: is there, i think not|pg||
nt|hedyg: NS precision,so 1 @H was 4+ @hs and 8+ HCPs|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@d was like transfer with 1 more @H|pg||
nt|stewball: squeezed out of his @h losers:)|pg||
pc|cT|nt|ady: should have ducked the opening lead|pg||
nt|april7: W gets now the discard|pg||
nt|Walddk2: The book ain't gonna be heavy. Just 2 pages, and very cheap too. 29 DKr|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: In the other room delcarer lost the inevitable spade and two diamonds|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: but was able to take a ruffing finesse inspades to create a discard for losing @C|pg||
nt|petergill: 4@H is harder from South (this table) than from North (other table)|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|bobh1: maybe not|pg||
nt|athene: yes, south had the foresight not to have enough big cards to be squeezed|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes too late|pg||
nt|caitlin: but don't tell declarer when Queen is:)|pg||
pc|c8|nt|hedyg: A@c and @s|pg||
nt|hedyg: here he cannot, having played Q@s|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: this choice in spades kills that option|pg||
nt|daman: the @C 10 by North should help South somewhat    can release a @S|pg||
nt|hedyg: NS play upside down|pg||
nt|daman: or 2|pg||
pc|s3|nt|kit: why does ducking the opening lead help, unless 7-bagger?|pg||
nt|kit: which I guess it could be|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Convention 1:  Gerber : It's rubbish|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: because the @S9 gets wasted under the @SA|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|chick: and N has 6 hearts.   from E point of view, could lose 2 @Hs and 3@s off the top|pg||
nt|kit: Now declarer has a claim on 2-1 trump split|pg||
pc|c4|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c5|nt|bjacobs: Convention 2: Flannery : It's rubbish|pg||
pc|cK|nt|athene: even if you play upside down carding, that doesn't usually apply to suit-preference|pg||
pc|s6|pg||
nt|daman: they are in 5@H EW in the OR....undoubled|pg||
nt|april7: thank you N|pg||
nt|bjacobs: etc|pg||
pc|c9|nt|caitlin: now he keeps fingers crossed re: heart finesse|pg||
nt|daman: hhrrrmmmmm|pg||
nt|hedyg: he can! wd!|pg||
nt|daman: cold|pg||
nt|hedyg: George! you are not supposed to tell him|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|Walddk2: Did you peek???|pg||
nt|petergill: This looks like 10 imps to d'Avossa |pg||
nt|petergill: Nice play|pg||
nt|caitlin: South obviously wants @D think that is established|pg||
pc|s4|nt|hedyg: N showed an even number of @ds|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|h5|pc|sA|nt|april7: why not 4|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Well, to tell the truth, I sent Bill the two pages for proof-reading. Was 3 months ago, did not get them back yet|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Correct - I'm busy playing all 25 to check if you are right or not|pg||
nt|ralfwil: If S had supported with 3@c, defence had been easier and perhaps also -1 in 3@s|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@S+1 sorry..my mistake|pg||
nt|dinos1: why not @hA b4 2nd @s?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Well, he should be able to count to 12|pg||
nt|kit: right -- just count those winners|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
pc|h6|nt|hedyg: wd|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|ady: agree kit    but cant cost|pg||
pc|hA|nt|bobh1: perhaps W is now saying, "if I opened 1@s, then would you lead a @d?"|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
nt|bobh1: I guess it depends on how you read the 3@d bid|pg||
nt|hedyg: that doesnt work in precision|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h9|nt|daman: on Bd 37|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|s7|pc|d4|pg||
pc|s8|mc|10|nt|athene: he did, but lauria, like all bridge players of experience, knows that defenders are often lying, deceitful weasels|pg||
nt|stewball: the 10 aces he started with|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
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qx|o7|st||md|1S8732HAQJ9763D2C3,ST654HTDQ85CKQT87,SKQJ9H54DKJCAJ942,SAHK82DAT97643C65|sv|b|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|d2|pc|c7|pg||
pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg||
pc|dA|pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c7|st||md|1S8732HAQJ9763D2C3,ST654HTDQ85CKQT87,SKQJ9H54DKJCAJ942,SAHK82DAT97643C65|sv|b|nt|ady: thatthats why 3@H couuld be wrong    stopps opposition from coming in and you go down instead of them|pg||
nt|april7: W lost only 1@S,1@H, and 1 @D|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i correct|pg||
nt|bobh1: after a takeout double, 8 is not unexpected at these colors|pg||
nt|chick: as a spec says, W also knew they were vul|pg||
nt|chick: but still E has a lot of losers :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d could many different types of hands, including with short @ds|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Angelini up by 4 in the other semi-final after 8 boards|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Fantoni is ill and is not playing, so a few unusual partnerships|pg||
nt|caitlin: right just ruffing clubs....12|pg||
nt|caitlin: hope he will recover well|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Versace-Angelini     Lauria-Giubilo      Lauria-Nunes     Versace-Guibilo|pg||
nt|petergill: 6@H is on the spade finesse|pg||
nt|athene: even if south had bid 2@S as a weak jump overcall, it wouldn't be clearcut to sac with north|pg||
nt|athene: you have a side ace and partner might so easily turn up with a little something like @DJxx which is enough to beat the slam|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|nt|bobh1: and as far as the @s K goes, if W does not have it they are probably cold for slam|pg||
nt|bobh1: i know; that's one of the downsides of precision|pg||
nt|hedyg: S can open 1@s and jump to 3@H in precision|pg||
nt|xenya: perhaps -- but if N had splintered in @Ds...|pg||
mb|4H|nt|bjacobs: This looks super-dull|pg||
nt|fabsayc: well definitely not roman|pg||
nt|fabsayc: that would be 17-20|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 7@d|pg||
nt|chick: another good reason not to push|pg||
nt|hedyg: double is an option for W instead of 2@c|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: without 4@h?|pg||
nt|hedyg: si :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i don't like dbl in this auction|pg||
nt|fabsayc: the diamond ten can be flexibly placed|pg||
nt|bridge_one: the problem was at first trick - would need to take the decision if take the risk about a singleton in @d|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d does not promise any @ds, can be short|pg||
nt|daman: if North bid @Ss to show his weakness, the sacrifice would have been found     the @D Queen isn't that big of a deal on the auction|pg||
nt|hedyg: E found a 5@d bid in OR over 3@d-p-p|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@H-p-p- sry|pg||
mb|5D|nt|xenya: indeed|pg||
nt|bobh1: 2@c is very dangerous, despite the lead-directional advantage|pg||
nt|bobh1: double is slightly safer|pg||
nt|hedyg: by not opening 1@c his hand is limited|pg||
nt|hedyg: except if that shows @c fit and short @H...|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: the balanced 15 hcp in North opposite a limited opener might|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: allow them to stop out of slam|pg||
nt|petergill: Bd 22: At the other table, after @S6 - @S2, East could have won the king!! not the jack, a brilliancy, marking a finessable @SJ as being in West's hand. |pg||
nt|stewball: dangerous to bid dangerous to pass|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: but 3@H puts max pressure on the opps and they can make a big mistake|pg||
nt|chick: or 7N|pg||
nt|fabsayc: nor is it little roman|pg||
nt|hedyg: N wont give up|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 2@C gazzilli|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: nice thought that !|pg||
nt|hedyg: N would like to make an effort now, not a lot of space though|pg||
nt|athene: north has a fair hand but he knows one of his minor kings is wasted|pg||
nt|athene: (since south has three cards only in the minors)|pg||
nt|petergill: Bd 22: then South takes the marked spade finesse instead of the working club finesse - thanks to a spec Bon van Os for noticing the play|pg||
nt|stewball: going to get a good flop|pg||
mb|d|nt|kit: does it stop opposition from coming in?  Wouldn't you bid 3NT on that start if you held North hand?|pg||
nt|daman: you have to choose your poison|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3@h was better in many other situations that 2@h - |pg||
nt|bobh1: perhaps W upgraded his hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: E shouldn't either|pg||
nt|bobh1: E will probably bid 5@c as a 2-way bid|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i prefer 3@H with E cards instead of 2@S|pg||
nt|hedyg: i agree Simon|pg||
nt|hedyg: by far|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 1@S = 3 controls   1 ace and a king, or 3 kings|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@D unbal|pg||
nt|athene: if 1@D doesn't promise diamonds, then 1NT looks a more normal call from north|pg||
nt|petergill: Mario d'Avossa and Ricardo Intonti won the World Junior Teams in Florida in 1999, with different partners. |pg||
nt|hedyg: hmmm Simon? dont they play 1@d= 5+ vulnerable?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt weak NS|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: is east coming in now?|pg||
nt|ady: flat 17    very risky    very flat|pg||
nt|kit: South doesn't have quite enough to make a move here, I don't think|pg||
nt|hedyg: so it's their own version?|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol John|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 2@D  8+ hcp|pg||
nt|fabsayc: that was not part of the system, at least not with balanced hands|pg||
nt|hedyg: and what is 2NT?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: 3@H seems an overstatement, but east had not easy to evaluate|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: here comes the cavalry|pg||
nt|lestergold: he has no extras what is the redouble?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: this Dbl at 2@S is strange - in which coulour East think possible to play ?|pg||
nt|kit: Now, will South follow through with a penalty double?  This one better be penalties|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 2@C is either natural or any 16+|pg||
nt|petergill: Precision, 11-15 1@S, hence the jump to 3@H. |pg||
nt|hedyg: singleton @c is indeed byd news|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@D 5+ or 3suiter|pg||
nt|athene: right|pg||
nt|hedyg: ahhhhh got it! thanks|pg||
nt|athene: Lauria is a big chicken - he is always scared that if he passes, it will be wrong, so he makes sure to bid|pg||
pc|hA|nt|vugraphzbg: safe|pg||
nt|hedyg: does their 1NT opening deny a 4 card M?|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty Simon|pg||
nt|fabsayc: no but he can show secondary hearts|pg||
nt|bobh1: now E has a problem--bidding 4@c and then 5@c does not win style points|pg||
nt|bridge_one: very used in Austria, less in Italy (to give the controls over 1 strong @C)|pg||
nt|hedyg: i doubt that|pg||
nt|caitlin: 4@H P P 5@D in open room|pg||
pc|hT|nt|lestergold: he smells a penalty perhaps|pg||
nt|hedyg: bad*|pg||
nt|hedyg: the chicken part i mean|pg||
pc|h5|nt|dinos1: now will stop in 3N coz no slam in sight?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@d is similar to a wait time - like over the open of 2@c|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yeah i think penalty...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Why must North make a decision in front of partner?|pg||
nt|kit: This is an awful 3@S call.  He has already described his hand.  Why not leave it to partner, who knows a lot more about the hand|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He has nothing to add|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i dont know..|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Masoero choose always to play |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: no  extra values and k@H in bad position|pg||
nt|bjacobs: I suppose you could stray into 4@H|pg||
nt|stewball: the @c ruff with single trump will be a disappointment|pg||
pc|c3|nt|fabsayc: i believe with 3@H continuation over 3@C or 3@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: so 2NT is transfer for @d and 3 @c is preaccept|pg||
nt|caitlin: anyone else for 5@D?|pg||
pc|cK|nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|bobh1: then what was 4n?|pg||
nt|hedyg: many pay that 3@H after the @d transfer shows short @H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ask aces|pg||
nt|bobh1: altho it does win imps|pg||
nt|hedyg: he doesnt care lol|pg||
pc|cA|nt|kit: big missed opportunity, and now 3@S might not be so easy to make|pg||
pc|c6|pg||
nt|lestergold: partner says i want to have a crack at them hes better than min so why bid|pg||
nt|daman: at least 500 and maybe more in 3@D X|pg||
nt|lestergold: favourite to get the spade wrong|pg||
nt|bridge_one: no extra value i don't agree - could have a weaker hand, and Qx in @d with K in @S are good cards|pg||
nt|hedyg: better than passing|pg||
nt|bobh1: if you bid 5@c first, you might get to defend 5@h|pg||
nt|bridge_one: i means the open of 2@C in the precision or blue team (one suit hand or 2 suit with 5+@C)|pg||
nt|kit: this seems like an awkward auction.  3NT could well have been a lot better, and they never really found out anything as far as that goes|pg||
pc|c4|nt|vugraphzbg: 3@C majors|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@D ask|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@H 54 low singleton|pg||
nt|hedyg: so much for 9 card fits.......|pg||
nt|athene: as soon as the auction slowed down (3@H onwards) a misunderstanding was in the air|pg||
nt|petergill: Aomething misfired in this imprecise Precision auction. |pg||
pc|c5|nt|kit: I don't know that declarer will be touching trumps at all|pg||
nt|ady: this was a great escape for e/w    wonder if east has ever played any bridge for stakes?|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Pretty impressive|pg||
pc|d2|pc|c7|pg||
nt|bobh1: so why didn't they find the grand?|pg||
pc|s8|nt|kit: well, if he had passed he would have been defending 2@S, so if they beat this a trick his call gained him 5 IMPs -- hard to argue with that|pg||
pc|s4|nt|hedyg: or ( if playing exclusion) short @s|pg||
nt|bobh1: E forgot to rebid 5n?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: seems east could have continued with 5NT safely|pg||
nt|athene: 5@D is ok i think|pg||
pc|sK|nt|petergill: So far, the play is going very well for Carlo Mariani|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
nt|ady: I would argue|pg||
nt|shevek: maybe north thought 3@h was splinter|pg||
nt|petergill: Luckily for NS, 4@S is OK|pg||
nt|hedyg: i think Mina just wanted to make an effort and no way to do that and show @H fit|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i forgot...: also 4@D e 5@C|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol ok|pg||
pc|dA|pc|h3|nt|kit: Normal for South to duck, and the trick will come back anyway|pg||
pc|d5|nt|athene: you know north has either bid 4@H off hearts or a great hand|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
nt|kit: there are many ways to win and lose IMPs.  Going for a number is only one of them.|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3@S probably was bid because the only hand in South with 4 cards in @d is a 4144 otherwise balanced hand, so risk the pass at 3@d by south|pg||
nt|lestergold: he has a 17 count with well placed hearts - i think he has to bid David|pg||
nt|petergill: d'Avossa's duck of @DA was an expert play which did no good on this hand. |pg||
nt|caitlin: here once North supports easier for East to forsee shortness in hearts in West's hand|pg||
mc|9|nt|hedyg: direct @c lead by Versace|pg||
nt|athene: and you have enough strength that the first option looks very likely|pg||
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qx|o8|st||md|2SQJ6HJT7DAQ9874C8,S87HQ853DJ53C9732,SAKT95HA64D2CKQJ5,S432HK92DKT6CAT64|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s8|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|h3|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|sT|pc|dT|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|d7|pc|c2|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c8|st||md|2SQJ6HJT7DAQ9874C8,S87HQ853DJ53C9732,SAKT95HA64D2CKQJ5,S432HK92DKT6CAT64|sv|o|nt|fabsayc: 4NT may have been roman blackwood, not sure|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: we're ready|pg||
nt|kit: hard to argue with success, but finessing 10 of hearts looks to be to be better percentage|pg||
nt|bridge_one: however a good challenge with only 3 IMP of swing|pg||
nt|athene: west might have got enough information to lead a heart|pg||
nt|hedyg: i dont think so Peter, how could he show @s fit except by bidding 3@s?|pg||
nt|athene: depending on where the misunderstanding occurred and which N-S player he could ask|pg||
nt|petergill: Well bid and well played by NS|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: choice of majpr suit games now|pg||
nt|hedyg: and what was 5@s?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: just in time for lunch|pg||
nt|athene: it was a flat board, except Angelini forgot to double 5@D |pg||
mb|1C|nt|daman: major*|pg||
nt|lestergold: choice of games in either major here|pg||
nt|lestergold: ooh snap|pg||
nt|daman: jinx|pg||
nt|ady: 4@H looks best |pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: Very strong 15-7 notrump|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Welcome to the world's number 1 ranked player: Fulvio Fantoni|pg||
nt|hedyg: dinner rather in Europe|pg||
nt|caitlin: surprised North Angelini did not X 5@D at other table|pg||
mb|1S|nt|kit: East isn't planning on inivting, but West may super-accept|pg||
nt|bridge_one: overall with nothing ion the singleton of p :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok we are on the next bd|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: 2@D here shows a single suited major hand|pg||
nt|athene: 4@S a reasonable sacrifice against the making 4@C|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: two bids for the price of one  :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: Simon do they play variable NT?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c 16+|pg||
mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: hi all |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ciao Fulvio|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: ciao |pg||
nt|fabsayc: two with king in spades or diamonds|pg||
nt|bobh1: whatever these bids meant, EW were not on the same wavelength |pg||
nt|fabsayc: no in roman blackwood the 5h and 5s were used to show side kings with 2 aces|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@D any major 1 suiter|pg||
nt|hedyg: strong @c opening|pg||
nt|stewball: its not obvious imo|pg||
mb|1N|nt|fulvio2002: Simon|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I am relieved to see no 2@C overcall. I think I could find a few who would|pg||
nt|dinos1: who? :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@s= no majors , 8+|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: no game now|pg||
nt|hedyg: but he had 3 keycards?|pg||
nt|bobh1: 2d would be played as natural by some|pg||
nt|fabsayc: is not key card|pg||
nt|bobh1: it's kind of a silly bid in my view|pg||
nt|bobh1: at imps, W should bid|pg||
nt|kit: playing a strong club, no reason for East to bid here I don't think|pg||
nt|caitlin: ugly suit|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Maybe 612 specs?|pg||
nt|hedyg: best play system on after the double and 2@DX pass=@ds|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S invitational in @H , pass if you have @S|pg||
nt|athene: 2@H will go round to west - now double or 3@D?|pg||
mb|2D|nt|bridge_one: noooo|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: difficoult to bid|pg||
nt|lestergold: well easy to miss |pg||
nt|kit: of course the fit is unexpectedly good with 4 small diamonds opposite the stiff, but the West hand will fit almost anything|pg||
nt|hedyg: is 1@H =@s or negative relay?|pg||
nt|kit: even i wouldn't overcall 2C on that hand with 3 small spades -- the kiss of death|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: 2@S here offers the choice of spade at 2-level of hearts higher levels|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@s shows longer @hs|pg||
nt|athene: lots of people simply agree that a double of an artificial overcall of 1nt shows "cards" - but this isn't much use|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1NT relay|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: many use 2Nt in this situation with a big maximum and 3 good cards raise -|pg||
nt|ady: stayman might have worked better   and then knowing of a definate fit east might have invited|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Fulvio and Nunes having a rest in this set|pg||
nt|bobh1: why not just bid 2@s|pg||
nt|fabsayc: yes, kcb better|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: neg|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty Simon|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt = 17 any distrib|pg||
nt|bridge_one: pass at 2@d because they play strong clubs, so the hand of west is limited in force|pg||
nt|athene: you have to know what the follow-ups mean|pg||
nt|xenya: now W will be able to bid his @Ds|pg||
nt|petergill: NS can make a heart partscore, EW might make a diamond partscore if NS miss their club ruffs. |pg||
nt|caitlin: a 4@H vul?|pg||
mb|2S|nt|bobh1: at mps, probably not|pg||
nt|athene: i.e. if you double then bid a suit, is that forcing? if you double then double, what is that?|pg||
nt|athene: east has a maximum, a club fit and a spade stop....so might bid game|pg||
mb|p|nt|fulvio2002: really i am home |pg||
nt|Walddk2: Fulvio dislikes mornings :)|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: Nunes is there|pg||
nt|Walddk2: So they have to manage without you all weekend?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: at least 4@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: only if there is fit|pg||
nt|athene: but there are two reasons why you might not|pg||
mb|3S|nt|lestergold: well i dont understand the bidding styles in Italy but I prefer stayman on the East hand|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: it is possible i will leave today it depend if i will feel better later|pg||
nt|dinos1: with 2-3-3-5 u have X as alternative|pg||
nt|athene: a) partner is a passed hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: but W doesnt have an invite hand over 12-14 NT|pg||
nt|athene: b) your diamond strength is a bit slow|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Oh, I did not know you were ill. We wish you a speedy recovery!|pg||
nt|athene: ideally you want the fast tricks (aces) in the reds and the slow trick in spades|pg||
nt|hedyg: 4@c still makes|pg||
nt|hedyg: needs a @H lead or @s to beat slam|pg||
mb|4C|nt|fulvio2002: thaqnks|pg||
nt|april7: I think after this bidding a small @S is the better  choice, since E needs something from partner in @S|pg||
nt|fabsayc: sorry, memory failure, 5 spades two specific aces|pg||
nt|fabsayc: i remain unconvinced|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@C baron|pg||
nt|hedyg: without fit it can be a major catastrophy|pg||
nt|hedyg: grz Simon|pg||
nt|athene: because they have to give you that|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: only if they double; otherwise the worse it can be is one more undertrick--2 imps|pg||
nt|shevek: 3NT by east has a slim chance here  |pg||
nt|pjs_ch: it is in danger of making !|pg||
nt|hedyg: duck a @s and play Q@C?|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: East will naturally duck a spade or two and then tackle clubs|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: and to keep South off lead, running the @CQ looks natural|pg||
nt|hedyg: better duck 2 @ss|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: point made by Athene about confusion over the X - very valid|pg||
nt|xenya: well @Hs rank higher...|pg||
mb|4D|nt|kit: perhaps 2@C then 2@S over 2@D would be invitational, and he isn't strong enough for that|pg||
nt|bridge_one: italian style is 2Nt by West|pg||
nt|ady: using stayman ike they may play that if partner showss no major then 2 spades is stronger than an immediate transfer|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: no, italian style bid 2@H over stayma..could have also @S|pg||
nt|hedyg: so E could have asked for kings|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: passing 2n is right only with exactly 8 tricks|pg||
nt|athene: east can set up 4 clubs and 3 diamonds without south having an obvious entry, but losing the lead twice gives the defence time to get him in with the @HK|pg||
nt|athene: 3@H is the sort of bid you aren't supposed to make, if you believe in the law of total tricks|pg||
mb|4H|nt|hedyg: looks like -2|pg||
nt|fabsayc: lead gets him to eight|pg||
nt|hedyg: ahhhhhh entry to dummy in @C......|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: q of @S?|pg||
nt|hedyg: but surely N will open @h when in with K@S|pg||
nt|fabsayc: this is a super 21, and the play for game is horrible|pg||
nt|kit: right -- playing Standard, East might feel compelled to raise in case West had a good hand -- and then West with some extras might feel compelled to keep bidding|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: the Q or K is enough and E is in aposition to continue the suit |pg||
nt|bobh1: anyway, NS have landed on their feet|pg||
nt|petergill: 3@D might have failed on a forcing defence, shortening declarer's trumps while holding up @DA. |pg||
nt|athene: south probably thought that his partner was likely to be short in diamonds, in which case the hand would play well|pg||
nt|athene: 6@S surely makes on spade lead|pg||
mb|4N|nt|kit: Nice thing about playing a strong club is that you don't have to worry about opener having that 17-point hand when he doesn't open 1@C -- he doesn't have it|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: they play turbo|pg||
nt|stewball: will surely get a @h lead|pg||
nt|hedyg: @d are friendly though so should always make|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4nt q@S|pg||
nt|caitlin: what is turbo?|pg||
mb|5D|nt|fabsayc: yes but finding out about the shape and heart queen was not possible|pg||
nt|bobh1: often what happens when you stop in 2n is they defend more carefully and you go down the same number of tricks in that contract|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i agree|pg||
nt|bobh1: on this hand, granted it looks like passing 2n was the winner|pg||
nt|fabsayc: bob, i also have a pessimist supplement|pg||
nt|bobh1: sorry do not follow the pessimist school, especially at imps|pg||
nt|bobh1: maybe its a good system for golf but not bridge|pg||
nt|fabsayc: you stand to gain or lose roughly the same amount|pg||
nt|chick: I hope the optimist supplement is for bidding and the pessimist supplement is for play :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: i agree there are days when the pessimists prevail|pg||
mb|p|nt|bobh1: not sure what ducking the @h is supposed to accomplish|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: sorry - the @H switch will kill that fantasy|pg||
nt|athene: now @SJ|pg||
nt|hedyg: he is|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4@C cue @C and number odd of aces|pg||
mb|5S|nt|stewball: i guarantee it:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|caitlin: which can lead to ugly overcalls:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4@D cue|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4@h cue|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/pdf/TurboConvention.pdf|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4nt q of @S|pg||
nt|stewball: so this is not a good slam,on a @h lead they need trumps 3/2 and the @d suit|pg||
nt|hedyg: sry seems the bridgeguys website isnt working|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2nd day now. i miss it :(|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: And let declarer's 8 score when he has AKQ8?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: or AKQx oppsote singleton 8|pg||
nt|april7: he takes a chance anyway, do you want tricks or just a lead|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: Lauria could have  AJ109x |pg||
nt|athene: @SJ = "i have @H entry"|pg||
nt|hedyg: i prefer J@S first, then 10@s|pg||
nt|petergill: Best to play a spade up when he wins @DA|pg||
nt|caitlin: on heart lead will have to finesse diamonds set them up|pg||
nt|stewball: and N knows it,,,,|pg||
nt|caitlin: maybe they revamping Hedy|pg||
nt|hedyg: library.neo-bridge.org/TURBO%20CONVENTION.doc |pg||
pc|h5|nt|athene: the best line in 6@S on a heart lead is interesting - do you take the diamond finesse or not?|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hK|nt|lestergold: always difficult to locate these thirty point pack games|pg||
nt|petergill: Should East trump this trick!???|pg||
nt|petergill: to play a @H|pg||
nt|hedyg: to play what?|pg||
nt|athene: ideally declarer would like to ruff a diamond high and then lead another spade up|pg||
nt|athene: and try to bring off a trump coup|pg||
nt|athene: make @DA, @SKQ, 5 trumps in hand, and one ruff|pg||
nt|petergill: East cannot get West in later. |pg||
nt|athene: but he can't do it|pg||
nt|xenya: best is pitch a @S here i think |pg||
pc|h7|pg||
nt|athene: you have to if there is @DKxxx onside|pg||
nt|hedyg:  library.neo-bridge.org/TURBO%20CONVENTION.doc |pg||
nt|athene: but it loses out to @DKx and @DKxx offside|pg||
pc|s2|nt|pjs_ch: East thinking "is a singleton @HK more likely than @HK onside?"|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|bridge_one: and also reopen at 3@h (invitational with 5/4 obliged, not 5/5 invitational, wich is biddded in other way - however they are many style in Italoy about the use of texas, but few ...|pg||
nt|bridge_one: pair play smolen|pg||
nt|kit: problem with 2@C, then 2@H is partner doesn't know which suit is longer|pg||
nt|athene: as long as the defence don't do anything silly, like force declarer too much in clubs....|pg||
pc|s7|nt|kit: I prefer to be able to bid 2@C, then 2@S with East hand as non-invitational|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
nt|bobh1: now he will crossruff till the cows come home|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|s3|nt|fabsayc: bad contracts should be played fast|pg||
nt|hedyg: now he must play on @D|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://library.neo-bridge.org/TURBO%20CONVENTION.doc |pg||
nt|hedyg: not too late yet|pg||
nt|stewball: 5@s may be harder to play than 6|pg||
pc|s6|nt|petergill: Nice play, running @H7|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s9|pg||
nt|ralfwil: Nice to find J10 in @d|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|sJ|pc|c3|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: that is probably the reason Giubilo played the King |pg||
nt|bobh1: or just draw trumps when the @c's break|pg||
nt|fabsayc: that he can not do|pg||
nt|bobh1: no, but trying won't hurt|pg||
nt|xenya: ruff @H, cash @SA and claim 10 on crossruff|pg||
pc|hT|nt|hedyg: obvious after the 10@H lead|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h6|nt|athene: like that|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
mc|11|nt|bobh1: as far as gaining and losing the same amount--when you are right you gain a game bonus and when you are wrong you usually just lose and extra undertrick|pg||
nt|stewball: 451 in some clubs|pg||
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pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|c8|pg||
pc|d9|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|h2|pg||
pc|d8|pc|h4|pc|s3|pc|h8|pg||
pc|d2|pc|hJ|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg||
pc|cA|pc|h3|pc|s2|pc|c9|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|hK|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|sJ|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|sA|pc|hA|pc|sT|pc|h7|pg||
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qx|c9|st||md|3ST75HKJ4DJ73CJ974,S9843HT75DT54CAKQ,SAKJ6H9832D6C8653,SQ2HAQ6DAKQ982CT2|sv|e|nt|bridge_one: i told they not play smolen, but not because was right to chose smolen in that hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: played safe for 9 tricks|pg||
nt|fabsayc: he took the 100% line|pg||
nt|hedyg: sensible|pg||
nt|bobh1: they bid the grand in the other room|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1NT in N|pg||
nt|bobh1: the extra undertrick is often significant at mps but rarely at imps|pg||
nt|fabsayc: 5 imps to the pessimists, 6 to optimists|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|fabsayc: since 2nt no doubt will make|pg||
nt|bobh1: that's only if 2n makes|pg||
nt|athene: that hand was a good example of subtle misunderstandings in competitive auctions, i think|pg||
nt|athene: east clearly thought that west was showing at least mild game interest|pg||
nt|athene: it's often hard for the defence to see they mustn't force declarer|pg||
nt|daman: outscoring*|pg||
nt|athene: because it's such a "natural" thing to do, most of the time|pg||
nt|xenya: yes, looks like EW aet up that trump coup for declarer|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: intonti has to cover 7@H|pg||
nt|athene: but on that hand i think the danger of a trump coup was really written in big neon letters|pg||
nt|xenya: *set|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: maybe|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: the last hand was also a pickup as EW failed in 4@s|pg||
nt|hedyg: 9-11 NT|pg||
mb|1D|nt|hedyg: E must bid, especially vs weak NT|pg||
nt|hedyg: so 1 @c opening|pg||
nt|athene: and he didn't have, facing 12-14|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 2@h 5@s4@H max 7|pg||
nt|daman: thst must show 5/4 in the majors and weak|pg||
nt|kit: probably this shows 5 spades, 4 or 5 hearts, non-invitatinal|pg||
nt|Walddk2: This is the luckiest 4@H you will ever see, and won't be bid|pg||
nt|bobh1: the ubiquitous 1@c|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Excellent bridge so far; they sure have more competent players than the Versaces, Laurias, Fantunes, etc. in Italy|pg||
nt|daman: anybody want a bite of my meatloaf sandwich?|pg||
nt|hedyg: new address for bridgeguys:         http://www.bridgeguys.com/|pg||
mb|1S|nt|bridge_one: 2@H is a Garozzo convention|pg||
nt|lestergold: hasnt keopt west out|pg||
nt|lestergold: but probably propelled him too high|pg||
nt|bridge_one: maximum 8 hcp - otherwise 2@S (9/11) same distribution|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@D both majors competitive|pg||
nt|ralfwil: percentage versa playing twice against @dKQ|pg||
nt|bjacobs: About 10% I reckon|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: really very lucky|pg||
nt|fabsayc: mighty thin hand for 2@S at this vuls|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: for NS 1@c = 17+|pg||
mb|2N|nt|daman: NS are on for 3@S although they may reach too high if they feel they are doing poorly|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: no north to the rescue|pg||
nt|othered1: I don't disagree, but many want sound values over a weak NT, sounder than over a stronger NT opening|pg||
nt|fabsayc: clearly vivaldi expecting more|pg||
nt|bobh1: personally, I wouldn't mind passing the E hand in direct seat|pg||
nt|xenya: i agree Martin -- looks vey borderline to me|pg||
nt|hedyg: i think W might have asked which is his partners minor, if @d go for game, if @c stop in 3@s|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 0/7 hcp 0/2 controls|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 1@D|pg||
nt|frankaus: 690 "in the bank" looks to be a pick up |pg||
mb|3N|nt|daman: EW are wearing out their bidding boxes   they very seldom pass|pg||
nt|bridge_one: weak with one major the bid was 2@D multi|pg||
nt|kit: West has a real problem -- bidding could go for a number, and passing could result in a missed vul game -- no easy answer|pg||
nt|xenya: quite sensible|pg||
nt|bobh1: he knows what to lead, so that removes one motivation for bidding immediately|pg||
nt|xenya: perhaps W expected more from partner|pg||
nt|hedyg: he could ask|pg||
nt|bobh1: as for W, I agree he could bid 2n on the way to 3@s|pg||
nt|hedyg: no need to assume|pg||
nt|hedyg: A@s and @s ducked......|pg||
nt|hedyg: but he wont lead A@s.....|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: small @S ducked the same:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes|pg||
nt|fabsayc: small to jack|pg||
nt|xenya: i'm sure they'll bid 4|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: adn north seldom lest them play a hand|pg||
nt|lestergold: even when its in his interest to do so|pg||
nt|fabsayc: that covers both cases|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)ù|pg||
nt|athene: i prefer the O.R. auction|pg||
nt|petergill: Once again I think 3NT by South is a marginally better contract than 4@H.|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: 3nt?|pg||
nt|xenya: and make it -- perhaps|pg||
mb|p|nt|bjacobs: 7% perhaps|pg||
nt|bjacobs: and dropping |pg||
nt|athene: double then 2@H shows a real hand - south doesn't need to do more than that|pg||
nt|stewball: i'm a 1nt responder|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2nt  = 15-17 with 6@D|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: good hand without 3@S|pg||
pc|s7|nt|caitlin: not many IMPs have moved here|pg||
pc|s3|nt|stewball: strangely passive lead....|pg||
pc|sK|nt|Walddk2: Sanity prevalied|pg||
nt|Walddk2: On a normal day even 3 is in jeopardy|pg||
nt|ralfwil: perhaps in a situation when you need differences 4@h|pg||
nt|april7: even 2|pg||
nt|hedyg: or not.......|pg||
nt|daman: doink|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
nt|xenya: i meant he was going to bid game anyway|pg||
nt|bobh1: another runaway train|pg||
nt|dinos1: they didnt find @d lead in 2N?|pg||
nt|caitlin: North opened 1NT?|pg||
nt|hedyg: 19 HCPs outside @s|pg||
nt|daman: needs a @C lead|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: here it's!|pg||
nt|xenya: ah nice lead!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: d'avossa on fire:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: confuse 7@D and 7@S|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry:)|pg||
nt|stewball: ok|pg||
nt|athene: @C7 led in the other room :)|pg||
pc|h9|nt|kit: defense vs. 2NT might not have been so easy|pg||
nt|bridge_one: rare to hearn pass from Masoero :) |pg||
nt|bobh1: feels unnatural to duck with the W hand . . . sometimes you have to do unnatural things to get all your tricks|pg||
nt|hedyg: small @s should be from an honour so playing J@s covers all cases|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: baghetti cashed his ace not very happy!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Maybe they play 8-10|pg||
nt|hedyg: should be able to make 11 tricks|pg||
nt|athene: it's still not going down :)|pg||
pc|hA|nt|hedyg: at least play @d back|pg||
nt|hedyg: must play a top @H|pg||
nt|petergill: I think 4@S looks likely to make|pg||
pc|h4|nt|Walddk2: I kid you not; some do|pg||
nt|athene: east will probably duck this|pg||
nt|athene: south just needed the @H7 and he wld NEVER have been able to choose what to lead|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|caitlin: and pay for it|pg||
nt|hedyg: should still make, disc 1@H on @C|pg||
pc|dA|nt|athene: it's not clear to lead a SMALL heart now|pg||
nt|athene: the thing is:- you need the @DA entry to lead a spade|pg||
nt|shevek: I'd like @hA, 3 rounds of @ds, then @hx|pg||
nt|athene: however, you might think "@H to @HA, then @D to @DA, then run @HJ"|pg||
nt|hedyg: not really, if you play A@H and Q doesnt drop you play A@D and J@H, 10 @H is an entry to dummy then|pg||
nt|athene: because if it loses you have the @H10 as entry anyway for the spade|pg||
nt|athene: the problem is if trumps are 4-1|pg||
nt|athene: and of course there are also issues of a spade ruff|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: which all means it's no wonder that declarer has paused to think ...|pg||
nt|athene: it's certainly not a trivial hand - my guess is a heart to the @HA first is best, whatever you are planning to do thereafter|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: I favour running HJ as it clarifies things and simplifies entries|pg||
nt|athene: and of course the @H6 - @HQ will lead to a very fast claim for 450|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: the emphasis is on 10 tricks not 11|pg||
pc|d3|nt|ralfwil: @h8!|pg||
nt|ralfwil: To give possibilities to play on @h 108|pg||
pc|d4|nt|hedyg: claim|pg||
nt|daman: still...he should make this     can ditch a @H on the @C Ace|pg||
pc|d6|pg||
nt|bridge_one: yes, but i can't understand the DBL at 2Nt ... playing 8/10|pg||
nt|Walddk2: @SQ lead|pg||
nt|athene: no chance of beating it|pg||
nt|daman: jinx|pg||
mc|10|nt|lestergold: well a lot of heart losers to dispose of and certainly not many trumps ot do it with|pg||
nt|kit: sorry -- forgot West had only 2 spades -- would have been very easy|pg||
nt|frankaus: maybe S was hoping for a runout to 3@S|pg||
nt|caitlin: could take 5@D and 1@H with E-W in 2N at other table as spec points out|pg||
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qx|o10|st||md|4SHKQT852DKJT6CT74,ST42HAJ96DA73CK95,SKJ8753H74DQ9CJ83,SAQ96H3D8542CAQ62|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|2H|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|h2|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|h5|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|h8|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|d3|pc|s8|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|d8|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c10|st||md|4SHKQT852DKJT6CT74,ST42HAJ96DA73CK95,SKJ8753H74DQ9CJ83,SAQ96H3D8542CAQ62|sv|b|nt|ady: 11 tricks in spades|pg||
nt|ralfwil: presence at table....|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Lunch break after this set (board 16). Play resuming in about 3½ hours from now. In the meantime, we will be showing the last quarter-final in the Gold Cup from Peebles in Scotland|pg||
nt|april7: competitive battle ending in 4@H|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 64 boards if it goes the distance|pg||
nt|chick: another slam|pg||
nt|othered1: 35 unanswered imps here.  MBI Savelli has to get the brakes applied immediately.  But their Casey Jones time may have come and gone already|pg||
nt|hedyg: Casey Jones time?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: put in maradonna|pg||
nt|hedyg: now i have to look that up :(|pg||
nt|bobh1: lack of imagination on W's part|pg||
nt|athene: this looks like 4@H E-W, but there are auctions where N-S might get into 4@S, perhaps|pg||
mb|1C|nt|kit: South has a good preempt, but 3@S or 4@S?|pg||
nt|daman: 4|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4|pg||
nt|lestergold: too good for 3|pg||
nt|daman: get them in the cusp while you can|pg||
nt|xenya: lovely slam here|pg||
nt|bobh1: Savelli and Vivaldi need to retool their system|pg||
nt|fabsayc: simon, what is the significance of team names|pg||
mb|1H|nt|kit: I agree -- and this time the preempt catches a good fit.  And I don't think North would raise 3@S, but he might.|pg||
mb|2S|nt|bjacobs: 3@S is on for N/S - about as good a contract as 4@H was on the previous board!|pg||
nt|daman: 4@S isn't on the radar    only @Ds|pg||
nt|daman: no IMPs changed because many of the hands are flat|pg||
nt|caitlin: 2N>|pg||
nt|caitlin: ?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S GF without @S|pg||
mb|d|nt|xenya: slightle better here|pg||
nt|hedyg: precision 2@c, 10-15 6+@c or 5+@c +4M|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: exactly|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: balanced|pg||
nt|caitlin: yes 12 is GF for them:)|pg||
nt|stewball: 2@s XX might be sporty|pg||
nt|athene: well that's more than 12|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: for everybody|pg||
nt|athene: @HJ isn't just any old 1-count|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: unlikely|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://www.answers.com/topic/casey-jones-1|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 5@S4@C|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: going ot be hard here to avoid 3N by NS, but it'll come down to whether|pg||
nt|athene: i don't think N or S did anything utterly bonkers in the other room|pg||
nt|petergill: 4@D Splinter|pg||
nt|petergill: Italians like to splinter a lot. |pg||
nt|hedyg: nice spotcards and get Lauria to play( 5 more points)|pg||
nt|caitlin: yes good primes maybe worth 3N|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: of course interchange North's red suits and it would be another story|pg||
nt|april7: 2SA = @S support???|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@d = no 5 cards in @s is interesting :)|pg||
nt|caitlin: hmm no redouble?|pg||
nt|daman: can make 9 tricks|pg||
nt|athene: wld be fun if they decided to play in 8@S|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@H now?|pg||
nt|caitlin: a pass suggests a redouble I am told|pg||
nt|daman: E has to have 3 @Ss   no?|pg||
nt|athene: west has denied 4 spades so he has as many as he could have|pg||
nt|hedyg: bid the 1 you stop?|pg||
nt|daman: 4@Ss rather|pg||
mb|3N|nt|april7: tu|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: or not West has enough information to double that|pg||
nt|petergill: 4@S on the radar now!|pg||
nt|hedyg: especially when they have a singleton :) LOL|pg||
mb|p|nt|pjs_ch: West- s/b East|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: and he surely has now|pg||
nt|hedyg: time for E to double|pg||
nt|athene: 3nt = "i hope clubs are running"|pg||
nt|athene: double = "they so aren't"|pg||
nt|daman: mea culpa    mea maxima culpa     4@S just appeared on the radar|pg||
nt|hedyg: wow 4@s|pg||
nt|xenya: 4@S IS impressive|pg||
nt|hedyg: bidding with fire!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: Mariani is not a juniores:):)|pg||
nt|daman: can't hit what you can't see|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol Simon|pg||
nt|xenya: careful now...|pg||
nt|hedyg: E has bid his hand|pg||
nt|petergill: Carlo Mariani's bidding is based on the concept that a void in the opponent's suit is a special thing, and makes highly competitive bidding reasonable. |pg||
nt|daman: I would have doubled 4@S with the West hand|pg||
nt|xenya: but he must double|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes W could have doubled, E can't IMO|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: me too|pg||
nt|athene: west clearly thinks his pass is forcing|pg||
nt|xenya: W's pass was forcing i think|pg||
nt|athene: they might play inverted doubles in this position|pg||
nt|athene: so pass asks partner to double|pg||
nt|athene: but in that case, east shouldn't be taking so long|pg||
nt|petergill: @HA109x can be picked up for one loser in 5@H, as long as dummy's trumps are not shortened. |pg||
nt|xenya: but if so, what is E thinking about?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: maybe...i'll ask when the auction will be finished|pg||
nt|athene: the @h8 might prove a very big card if E-W take the push to 5@H here|pg||
nt|athene: it's possible we might see another trump coup|pg||
mb|p|nt|xenya: difficult to reach though|pg||
nt|fabsayc: double seems to be the ubiquitous good hand|pg||
nt|kit: 3NT is actually a pretty poor contract despite 25 HCP -- those 4-3-3-3 hands just don't pull full weight.  But the cards lie prettty well|pg||
nt|hedyg: double= nope they are not|pg||
nt|athene: east can ruff two diamonds in dummy, pitch club on the @SK, and eventually pick up trumps by ruffing clubs|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: had he opened 3  what would west have done?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: BO = Bologna Tamburrini(name of captain)|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: doesn't need to ask|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: d'avossa is not happy|pg||
nt|hedyg: ah so his pass was forcing|pg||
nt|athene: west draws a big circle round  42 on his scorecard and writes "discuss" next to it|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yep|pg||
pc|h7|nt|hedyg: wow|pg||
nt|caitlin: if E willing to sit for 2@SX ......|pg||
nt|daman: converted +870 to +630|pg||
pc|h3|nt|fabsayc: does little to describe the north hand however|pg||
nt|bobh1: double probably shows 4@h's|pg||
nt|hedyg: E in OR had no inhibitions to double|pg||
nt|athene: Zia has said:- the number one area of the game where the majority of players can pick up imps is in doubling opps when they are going down two or more|pg||
nt|hedyg: so more imps to Fornaciari|pg||
nt|athene: it's easy to think "they didn't HAVE to bid 3nt - if they go down, i'm happy"|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|ralfwil: I mean that one of the most faschinating parts of bridge is the psychlogical play, to help players to go wrong|pg||
nt|april7: there is a posibility for S to finesse in @S,lets see!|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Perhaps the club lead might steer him right|pg||
nt|dinos1: 25 w/o any intermediates|pg||
nt|kit: Still, on a diamond lead or shift with clubs 4-1 there might not be 9 tricks in time|pg||
nt|bridge_one: in IMP competition need to play 3Nt with 25 balanced|pg||
nt|dinos1: y, shift to @dQ|pg||
nt|caitlin: what else can W bid over 2@D ?|pg||
nt|kit: With no diamond shift, declarer can set up the long spade for  9 -- 3 spades, 2 clubs, 1 diamond, 3 hearts|pg||
nt|bridge_one: DBL at 2@d would work here, but too much risk for South |pg||
nt|caitlin: and E has every reason to bid on to game|pg||
nt|hedyg: shaking his head behind the screen...|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
nt|shevek: NS will go a few off for a gain of abt 11 imps|pg||
pc|sT|nt|bjacobs: Get the sense it's from shortage?  Hence not stiff spade?|pg||
nt|athene: but you have to remember:- you have teammates in the other room who might well have bid the same reasonable game and and suffering the same bad breaks|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|chick: a missed opportunity for NS|pg||
nt|hedyg: in both rooms|pg||
nt|hedyg: it's an insult to his partner not to double 3NT|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|athene: and they might be getting doubled|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: more or less|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: says something i can't tell you|pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|fabsayc: it stands for something else in NA :)|pg||
nt|kit: oh nothing wrong with getting to 3NT.  Sometimes you get to bad contracts, and sometimes you make them|pg||
nt|athene: yes, some people think that screens are there to protect us from Unauthorised Information... of course, they are really there to protect us from Partner's Wrath|pg||
pc|d2|nt|hedyg: he knows NS have nowhere to run to|pg||
nt|hedyg: rofl|pg||
pc|d6|nt|dinos1: not @s now?|pg||
nt|daman: when you commit to game on a strength showing bid    it is a mystery to me how this contract is permitted to play undoubled|pg||
pc|d7|nt|april7: W doesn't have 2 singletons|pg||
nt|caitlin: now I would consider X here of 2@D.....consider:)|pg||
nt|kit: Moment of truth here -- diamond shift seems easy|pg||
nt|Walddk2: And queen a fine card. Ace followed by queen works equally well|pg||
pc|d9|pg||
nt|bobh1: If double showed @h's, S's 3@h bid is the underbid of the century|pg||
nt|athene: yes, i think east had a clear double|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: but woudl you say it was good bridge if both rooms bid voluntarily to a contract going -800?|pg||
nt|athene: sure - sometimes there are bad breaks|pg||
nt|athene: admittedly, west's bidding has sort of told north that clubs might well be breaking badly|pg||
nt|athene: but even if so, north knows they are onside|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|hedyg: that wont help him a lot|pg||
nt|athene: so i don't think anything is utterly unreasonable - except east's polite non-double|pg||
nt|stewball: @d Q|pg||
nt|caitlin: or a sneak play by Lauria in diamonds|pg||
nt|hedyg: Nunes could have 4 @ds|pg||
nt|hedyg: Lauria is dummy|pg||
nt|caitlin: Nunes could have the KJxx|pg||
nt|caitlin: sorry meant by nunes:)|pg||
nt|caitlin: aren't they nuneslauria??:))|pg||
nt|hedyg: no|pg||
nt|stewball: N trying to figure wether to break @cs|pg||
pc|h4|pc|d4|nt|kit: ace followed by queen might not work so well, as defensive communication may have problems -- would have to work it out.  This way, defense is a lot easier|pg||
nt|athene: north can see there's very little chance of beating the contract|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pg||
pc|dK|nt|bobh1: Simon, what was E's range for 2@s|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: LC is Lecco|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 10-|pg||
nt|athene: he has to play partner for a 1-loser heart suit and an entry (@CK maybe)|pg||
pc|dA|nt|Walddk2: It would have been hearder to find the queen if Kxx had been in dummy|pg||
nt|Walddk2: harder even|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|athene: psychologically, i think it is a big help in this situation to think "my team-mates just bid 3nt and got doubled!"|pg||
nt|hedyg: hmmm|pg||
pc|d5|pg||
nt|shevek: "polite" that's the word I was after....|pg||
pc|s2|nt|athene: then you double like a shot with east's hand|pg||
pc|s7|nt|caitlin: come on @D|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3Nt was made bec South lead 2 in @D in open room|pg||
nt|kit: declarer giving up spade early as possible, hoping defense doesn't see what is going on|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3 in @D|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Queen still tehnically correct, also if East has Jxx because you will keep your A10 tenace over the jack|pg||
pc|s9|nt|xenya: it's plain sailing now|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|daman: NS bullied EW it seems|pg||
nt|hedyg: tststs|pg||
nt|petergill: mainly South|pg||
nt|petergill: Mina had the minor role|pg||
nt|athene: east could diffuse the tension by saying something apologetic|pg||
pc|sA|pc|c4|nt|dinos1: N showed @d count|pg||
nt|caitlin: with no @SK and possibly one club trick only has to continue @Ds|pg||
nt|caitlin: hard to wait as they think and we know what they should do:)|pg||
nt|dinos1: dcl has to have @hA so @d10 seemsobvious|pg||
nt|bridge_one: South know in west: 2@C, 2@s, very difficult zero @H ! so can't have 3@D |pg||
nt|bridge_one: 5 in @D is singleton or 3 cards ..|pg||
nt|dinos1: no matter - S can count dcl tricks|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Angelini +19 through 11 boards in the other semi-final|pg||
nt|dinos1: 3@s 3@h 2@c 1@d|pg||
nt|kit: hard to imagine what South is thinking about here|pg||
nt|bridge_one: South is like Angelini, a sponsor ...|pg||
nt|caitlin: smoke break??|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg||
nt|athene: north gets endplayed in the red suits|pg||
nt|athene: south sorry|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o11|st||md|1SQT52HA76D2CAT542,SK6HK8DQ6543CJ876,SA74HJT32DAKT987C,SJ983HQ954DJCKQ93|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|s4|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h3|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg||
pc|d9|pc|s8|pc|h6|pc|d4|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg||
pc|dT|pc|s9|pc|c4|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|c8|pc|s7|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|hT|pg||
pc|d7|pc|h5|pc|s5|pc|d5|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|sT|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|d8|pg||
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qx|c11|st||md|1SQT52HA76D2CAT542,SK6HK8DQ6543CJ876,SA74HJT32DAKT987C,SJ983HQ954DJCKQ93|sv|o|nt|daman: 3NT|pg||
nt|daman: with 9 toppers and chances for 10|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Only real swing was on board 1 when NS overbid in this room and were punished|pg||
nt|bjacobs: This set seems to form a good cure for insomnia|pg||
nt|fabsayc: mina could have cue bid 3@S|pg||
nt|xenya: good idea -- if that doesn't show his suit|pg||
nt|fabsayc: so there are standard two letter city codes in italy?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Tomorrow we will set yet another BBO vugraph record when we will be broadcasting from 7! nations simultaneously. Italy, Spain, Scotland, France, India, Morocco and Finland|pg||
nt|caitlin: and bravo to Roland for organizing them all!!|pg||
nt|hedyg: maybe he did|pg||
nt|athene: like "sorry pd i knew pass was forcing but i was scared you would drop three tricks in defence, the way you usually do"|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: Simon 10 tricks?|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: it could happen...they're a new pair:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: if south opens  they may get overboard|pg||
nt|daman: uh oh|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: of each city|pg||
nt|hedyg: how could he make 11?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 11 tricks|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 10 tricks sorry|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok np|pg||
nt|xenya: i hope that board won't affect EW's morale|pg||
mb|1D|nt|hedyg: will be tough to bid this hand|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: 5@D is to expensive|pg||
nt|hedyg: now even more with @H transfer|pg||
nt|bobh1: 4by1 hands always awkward|pg||
nt|petergill: No half measures. |pg||
mb|1S|nt|lestergold: not my choice for an opening bid|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2nt= 18-20 bal|pg||
nt|fabsayc: 2NT does not seem to be the tool, especially when light|pg||
nt|chick: will he refuse the transfer?|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes Simon|pg||
nt|hedyg: 6.9 imp/bd turnover so far|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: not even on my radar|pg||
nt|ady: if they have a check back  may avoid trouble|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I like 2@D better than 1 (unless 2@D would be articifial)|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: i think 2dizmond is both majors|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That explains it|pg||
nt|Walddk2: You might consider 3@D NV against V, but not at love all|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: 6322 is not the pair's style |pg||
nt|kit: This deal looks as flat as can be|pg||
nt|hedyg: he obviously deducted Q@S from his opening and wasn't left with much|pg||
mb|2D|nt|lestergold: i downgrade a point for no high cards in my long suit|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d unbalanced|pg||
mb|p|nt|hedyg: maybe 3@H denies 3 card fit|pg||
nt|bobh1: doubt if he can super-accept with only 1 @h|pg||
nt|othered1: 4-4-4-1 hands can be tough to handle in a big @C system, if you don't have specific auctions for them.|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i don't like opening nt with singleton|pg||
nt|dinos1: 1@h - nat or GF?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 1@H is a forcing bid to give many type of hands|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@H alerted : i think GF|pg||
nt|shevek: why didn't south respond 1@h?|pg||
nt|hedyg: maybe they play that 1@H =5+ cards|pg||
nt|hedyg: after the X|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 5@C good defense -2|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: but 4@S with @H j lead -1|pg||
nt|shevek: AQ10x = five in my book|pg||
nt|hedyg: he can bid 2 or 3@s now|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: and even withut the @HJ lead (@S in other room) still off unless|pg||
nt|hedyg: LOL Nico|pg||
nt|caitlin: 4@H in open room|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: for sure 2@C (but they don't use 2 check back|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: SOuth gets end played|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: i was answering fabsayc:)|pg||
nt|fabsayc: if double shows max, seems an overbid to me|pg||
nt|petergill: Looks like 100 to NS. |pg||
nt|athene: i like 4@D opener on west's hand|pg||
pc|cK|nt|hedyg: 7-8|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3nt E?|pg||
nt|hedyg: i think with more he would bid 2@c|pg||
nt|bobh1: the 3-level is too high for both sides|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: @D finesse on N|pg||
nt|caitlin: North jumped to 3@D|pg||
pc|cA|nt|lestergold: well north seems to know when not to get excited|pg||
nt|bridge_one: usefull to introduce different type of hand (GF, balanced strong, etc.)|pg||
nt|dinos1: 1N - nat and 4-6?|pg||
pc|c7|nt|april7: was 2@H forcing?|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: i dont think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: no|pg||
nt|xenya: well judged by S but...|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
nt|lestergold: you wouldnt keeop many of my club member sout of slam if they heard an opener from pard|pg||
nt|kit: so why did North bid 2@C?|pg||
nt|bobh1: I think the problem is the N hand is worth more than 18-20 bal, despite being 4-by-1|pg||
nt|hedyg: might get away with 3@H here|pg||
nt|fabsayc: needs heart king third|pg||
nt|othered1: Open NT off shape or rebid a 4-card suit when you strongly imply five.  Matter of personal choice.|pg||
nt|fabsayc: i think is worth less with a singleton ace|pg||
nt|hedyg: yes on a @s lead 3NT is cold|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 1Nt means 5/7 (i suppose)|pg||
nt|hedyg: you dont play Namyats|pg||
nt|athene: if you open 5minor you will almost always play it there, usually doubled|pg||
nt|petergill: NS can make 3@C, I'm not sure how NS do in 4@S. |pg||
pc|d2|pc|d3|nt|kit: what was he hoping to hear?|pg||
nt|ady: probably check back|pg||
nt|daman: On Board 41 EW managed to get to game when East used Stayman and invited with his weak 5413|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: primavera explains that he has to choose between 3nt and 4@h...3nt = 5@H332|pg||
nt|kit: Apparently South thought North had 5 hearts and was offereing choice of games|pg||
nt|bridge_one: but 2@h means weak hand with 3 card support - 4@H is a invention|pg||
nt|bridge_one: otherwise 1@s by South (0/4)|pg||
nt|shevek: good lead :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: excellent lead!|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: Who needs the lead directing @H bid then?  Speeds the play.|pg||
nt|athene: and it's usually right for opps to defend|pg||
pc|dT|nt|lestergold: well seems a silly spot but with hearts 3/3 and so omany high cards shouldnt prove much of a problem|pg||
nt|lestergold: and the lead gets him off to a flying start|pg||
nt|daman: should make easily|pg||
nt|kit: might even be a better contract than 3NT|pg||
nt|ady: just ten tricks|pg||
nt|april7: so its a lucky decision by N|pg||
nt|dinos1: max of 1@d response :)|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
nt|athene: looks strange to reach 4@H|pg||
pc|c9|nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt = 6-7|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 5-7|pg||
nt|athene: so you are basically forcing them to do the right thing|pg||
pc|c2|nt|athene: but opening 4....they are much more likely to bid over it and it's often wrong|pg||
pc|c6|nt|bridge_one: taking the chance to know a k in @D in South (after 4@C, that means chance of slam also with one control)|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|dinos1: @dK and @hQ|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Yes, @DK would be a big card, but even then North can't count 12 tricks|pg||
nt|bridge_one: the auctions very precise are ,,, usefull to give information about the leads anytimes :)|pg||
nt|shevek: fair enough|pg||
nt|hedyg: Versace opened 1@d in S (Angelini precision)|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|nt|lestergold: dim away on a spade probably only make ten tricks tho as the ruffing will probabkly promote a trump trick for the defence|pg||
nt|bobh1: singleton A is a minus but all those A's and K's are a plus|pg||
pc|sT|nt|kit: now the powerful 4 of hearts can uppercut dummy|pg||
pc|sK|pg||
nt|daman: and do they play canape responses to 1@D?|pg||
nt|daman: sorry    to 1@C?|pg||
nt|hedyg: the opening was 1 @d|pg||
nt|daman: yes     oh   they play precision|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c would have been a strong hand|pg||
nt|daman: duh|pg||
nt|stewball: nunes dosent want any more trump reduction|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|nt|ady: no promotion    just ten tricks|pg||
nt|caitlin: Nunes Lauria doing very well considering Nunes-Fantoni typically partners|pg||
nt|stewball: these guys would do well playing with their grandmothers|pg||
nt|caitlin: Fantoni not well trust he is on mend|pg||
nt|hedyg: or with ours:)|pg||
pc|hA|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c8|nt|hedyg: never a dull moment|pg||
pc|d8|pc|c3|pg||
nt|caitlin: from the grave Stew??:)|pg||
pc|dA|pc|s8|pc|h6|pc|d4|pg||
pc|s7|nt|hedyg: can ruff out @s|pg||
nt|xenya: nicely played|pg||
pc|s9|nt|lestergold: hes going for ten easy tricks |pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg||
nt|othered1: west's flying the @C ace didn't hurt|pg||
nt|fabsayc: club ace was a fatal mistake|pg||
pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|d9|nt|lestergold: and i dont blame him|pg||
pc|cQ|pg||
nt|ady: wouldnt you|pg||
pc|dK|nt|hedyg: yes it was|pg||
pc|h4|pc|s2|pc|d5|pg||
nt|lestergold: eggsactly|pg||
nt|athene: nicely done|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o12|st||md|2ST87654HK8DKQCKQT,S32HQJ964DA96CJ94,SA9HT7532D53C8532,SKQJHADJT8742CA76|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hA|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c12|st||md|2ST87654HK8DKQCKQT,S32HQJ964DA96CJ94,SA9HT7532D53C8532,SKQJHADJT8742CA76|sv|n|nt|daman: 3NT for NS|pg||
nt|kit: this will be a quick and easy 3NT by South|pg||
nt|hedyg: seeing 4@c in dummy there surely was no hurry to jump with A@C|pg||
nt|othered1: When you open with funny shape, often the opponents don't read the hand in time . . . |pg||
nt|fabsayc: the club underlead was _ _ _ _ _|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Not a lot to this either, perhaps 1 IMP|pg||
nt|athene: you need a very strange hand to open 5....admittedly he does have 8-4, which might qualify as strange enough|pg||
nt|athene: good recovery from the unfortunate initial trump play|pg||
mb|p|nt|petergill: 4@S by South might well have made, so minus 100 is OK. |pg||
nt|xenya: true|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|nt|hedyg: nv weak NT|pg||
nt|xenya: on both points|pg||
nt|petergill: Margin back to only 15 imps now. |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@d = 2@H:)|pg||
mb|1S|nt|ady: 3NT fairly routine|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I guess this is an opener in Precision|pg||
nt|bobh1: 6@c rolls here altho it's not such a great contract|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y|pg||
nt|caitlin: 3N in open room|pg||
mb|2H|nt|hedyg: i thought they play precision|pg||
nt|hedyg: nv vs vul very weak NT :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: inv or +|pg||
mb|p|nt|bjacobs: Or standard?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: strogn club|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: strong|pg||
nt|shevek: good hand for the mimi NT|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3nt|pg||
mb|3N|nt|lestergold: 3n now|pg||
nt|bridge_one: i hope|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: canapè|pg||
nt|shevek: mini*|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: 2@S is costructive|pg||
nt|frankaus: whats better 4@H or 4@S|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Not sure Fulvio would upgrade it to a 12-14 NT in his system, vulnerable. Would you?|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty|pg||
nt|dinos1: @h contract is better|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1@S could be only 4cards...|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i think good bid by Est...even if O has only 4 cards|pg||
nt|dinos1: normal 3-raise with side stiff|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@s can be only 3 cards |pg||
nt|Walddk2: Absolutely|pg||
nt|hedyg: X= pen, 2@c= i ahve nothing|pg||
nt|athene: east can pass smoothly and wait for opps to commit an indiscretion|pg||
nt|hedyg: have*|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: what is the double     they seem to double an overcall with any holding?|pg||
nt|othered1: Guess 1C isn't always weak and balanced|pg||
nt|bobh1: looks like they stopped on a dime here|pg||
nt|hedyg: hard to find the @D fit|pg||
nt|stewball: big 2@h bid even as a passed hand|pg||
pc|s8|nt|hedyg: he doesnt know Q@H drops for 12 tricks|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: with or without mini/weak NT this hand remains a trap|pg||
nt|athene: yes|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: when South comes in he is overpowered|pg||
pc|s2|nt|daman: double is strong always    bidding is weak|pg||
nt|bridge_one: yes - points |pg||
nt|lestergold: looking likie 11 tricks probably|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@s relay|pg||
nt|petergill: I think it was Boye Brogeland from Norway who told me he has not yet opened 5@C or 5@d in his whole life. |pg||
pc|sA|nt|fabsayc: well this is savviv system|pg||
nt|hedyg: Q@C lead in OR|pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: j@D|pg||
nt|fabsayc: south has the entries, should switch|pg||
nt|hedyg: showed balanced 21-22|pg||
nt|bobh1: this is a hand where "T show zero or 2 higher" would be a helpful agreement for declarer|pg||
nt|Walddk2: There is no alternative to 2@S even opposite a possible 4-card suit|pg||
nt|caitlin: so to see open room www.bbotv.com/vugraph/|pg||
pc|c5|nt|ady: and an immediatte 3NT is much weaker |pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@S is with 3 cards only with a singleton|pg||
pc|c6|nt|bjacobs: The hearts are delicious.  Does every suit break and honour drop in Italy?|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: thay play strong club but it is not the same in my system |pg||
nt|bjacobs: Spades I should say|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: question is whether missing the 4-4 diamodn fit costs a trick here|pg||
nt|athene: declarer can grab @SAQ, @DAK and two trumps|pg||
nt|petergill: The transfer has avoided @CJ lead to 4@H. |pg||
nt|xenya: @D lead is a killer|pg||
nt|petergill: North would like to lead @D with @c switch|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S relay GF|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2nt NO 6@S no 5-5|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|lestergold: ten now|pg||
nt|kit: very surprising diamond shift -- what can that accomplish?  Diamond tricks aren't going anywhere|pg||
nt|kit: either trump shift to cut down dummy's ruffs or heart shift to get ruff himself seems more normal|pg||
pc|c4|pg||
nt|athene: so should be flat|pg||
nt|caitlin: and not surprising @C switch|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s3|nt|lestergold: oh|pg||
nt|lestergold: really?|pg||
nt|lestergold: 12?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: not so much :) for sure |pg||
pc|s9|pc|sK|pg||
nt|bridge_one: but can be 3Nt immediatly is conventional to give long raise in @S without singletons|pg||
nt|bobh1: @s lead not best|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|lestergold: playing pard for JTx|pg||
nt|hedyg: he has to come to hand first|pg||
pc|dK|nt|xenya: 11 tricks, and he can't help taking them it seems |pg||
nt|xenya: but not  quite obvious|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
nt|hedyg: ah help is here|pg||
nt|athene: now @DA, @SA, spade ruff, and diamond up perhaps (in case 4-1 diamonds)|pg||
nt|hedyg: if he tries to play around doublefinessing in @D he will go -3|pg||
pc|d6|nt|lestergold: only chance not unreqasonabl;e|pg||
pc|d5|nt|caitlin: are these rusinow leads or normal Queen drop Jack leads?|pg||
pc|d7|nt|bridge_one: long raise in @H (sry)|pg||
nt|athene: i don't think he will try that|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Lauria desperately tries to sow the seeds of doubt with @SJ, but it is to no avail|pg||
nt|hedyg: unlikely to ask for drop with just 3 cards|pg||
nt|caitlin: as in other room|pg||
nt|caitlin: not here|pg||
nt|caitlin: other room|pg||
nt|hedyg: same 3 cards in OR|pg||
nt|stewball: S will get a count to get the endgame right|pg||
pc|s4|nt|lestergold: he doesnt know that south has a massive spade stop|pg||
nt|ady: what do they do with around 8 or 9 pts when they want to compete?|pg||
nt|xenya: S knows W has all the points so he should defen on the assumption he has  @CKQ doubleton|pg||
nt|hedyg: he ducked J@D?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: next|pg||
nt|hedyg: strange things happening......|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: y..thought he was long in @D:)|pg||
nt|caitlin: so assume rusinow.....best leads imho|pg||
pc|h4|pc|c3|nt|bridge_one: 1@h pass 3Nt means for sure raise in 12/15 hcp without singleton|pg||
nt|hedyg: better not|pg||
pc|sJ|pg||
nt|athene: even if east had @DQJx you couldn't draw trumps to run them|pg||
pc|dT|nt|bridge_one: 5 cards raise normally|pg||
nt|daman: can take them all now|pg||
nt|athene: yes, south has to know which king to bare|pg||
pc|s5|pc|d9|pc|c2|pg||
pc|d8|nt|bjacobs: I like a 1@D opening in Standard.  The two red 109's are worth quite a lot|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: i had pass with 11  vul/not|pg||
pc|s6|nt|fulvio2002: because i have to open 1nt|pg||
nt|frankaus: @H now will see it fail|pg||
nt|petergill: @HJ is the only entry to @SK, hence the early spade play |pg||
nt|xenya: too late -- may be a big swing here|pg||
pc|h6|nt|daman: 5 seems one too many|pg||
nt|athene: yes, just making 4 i assume|pg||
nt|daman: should be making 4 only|pg||
nt|petergill: The transfer arbitrarily rightsided the contract - more good luck for EW. |pg||
pc|h2|pg||
pc|d4|nt|athene: this form of avoidance play is often overlooked|pg||
pc|sT|nt|ady: with 3-2-4-4  9 pts or so after 1@H   1@S  what do they do?|pg||
pc|h9|nt|bobh1: huh?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He is just thinking about which spade to play and guessed wrong|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 4 boards to go|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
nt|athene: the idea is, you lead towards your side suit honours through the defender who might be void, so if he ruffs, he is ruffing a loser anyway|pg||
pc|d2|pc|cT|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg||
nt|stewball: N stubbornly hanging on to his last @c|pg||
mc|10|nt|hedyg: had an attachment to it:)|pg||
nt|athene: south was playing his partner for @C86532|pg||
nt|stewball: he must have thot he already showed his count|pg||
nt|athene: the switch was to the @C5|pg||
pg||
qx|o13|st||md|3ST93H986D542CK432,SKQJ754H5DT86CJ86,S8HKQJT73DAQ93CT5,SA62HA42DKJ7CAQ97|sv|b|mb|4H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg||
pc|s4|pc|h3|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|h7|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg||
pc|h6|pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|d3|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|d6|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|s7|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|d8|mc|11|pg||
qx|c13|st||md|3ST93H986D542CK432,SKQJ754H5DT86CJ86,S8HKQJT73DAQ93CT5,SA62HA42DKJ7CAQ97|sv|b|nt|Walddk2: Angelini in the other room, also playing strong club, passed the North hand, and they stopped short of game|pg||
nt|hedyg: he was|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: very very long|pg||
nt|hedyg: LOL|pg||
nt|athene: you ought to get some reward for losing the @D7 twice on the last trick|pg||
nt|athene: north compressed his @DQ and trump loser into one trick|pg||
nt|hedyg: kept an eye on the important stuff Bill?|pg||
nt|shevek: do you mean 2 beers, Bill?|pg||
nt|athene: perhaps that's the teetotaller's "beer card"|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i correct:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: just made|pg||
nt|stewball: 532|pg||
nt|athene: we can't apportion blame for sure without knowing their carding agreements|pg||
nt|stewball: that sort of thing is annoying to a defender|pg||
mb|1H|nt|lestergold: swingy looking hand here|pg||
nt|daman: S has to be careful on this one   they might catch him speeding if he gets cute|pg||
mb|d|nt|hedyg: 3@s, 2@c,2@H,2@D|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 13 hours of non-stop vugraph so far today|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: for me...:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|bjacobs: The fact remains that it was a dreadful game - no more than about 20% ... but that's bridge|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: same reason |pg||
nt|fulvio2002: they should open 1nt|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: and they dont with 11 |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: they're laughing here...|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 17%|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: for the lcucky game|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: lucky|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok|pg||
mb|4S|nt|lestergold: e/w can also get too high|pg||
nt|daman: another flat 4@S contract making 5|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: in 3th position 1@S is the best ,,, having 4 cards in @h|pg||
nt|lestergold: one of those hands safer to be defnding i fear for both sides|pg||
nt|petergill: 3@H premptive |pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: rubinshol (1Nt)|pg||
nt|kit: now East knows the hand is a misfit with North showing clubs via the transfer|pg||
nt|hedyg: E opened in OR|pg||
nt|bobh1: sorry was looking at the play in the other room|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 'im a little bit tired:)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: really?|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c 17+?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@c gazzilli|pg||
mb|p|nt|othered1: West has a tough and go opening bid, but since they pass hands that some (not I) would open, it makes sense.|pg||
nt|hedyg: again a @s 2 suiter opening|pg||
nt|hedyg: W guessed the minor|pg||
nt|fabsayc: looks like a fantoni style this time|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry the range is 11-15|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok ty|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: i made a mistake before|pg||
nt|athene: E-W only play strong club when NV, i think?|pg||
nt|petergill: East very close to bidding 4@D. |pg||
nt|hedyg: need a good view in @H and in @C to make this|pg||
nt|athene: often in those situations, the recommended defence (when you are the one with nothing) is to throw ALL your cards in a suit|pg||
nt|hedyg: Angelini opened N as 4@H|pg||
pc|hK|nt|kit: and this should end the auction|pg||
nt|othered1: touch and go|pg||
nt|hedyg: seems a shame to open 2@s with KQ@h though|pg||
nt|bobh1: i thot so, because on the previous hand, W's 4@s bid was not so clear opposite 10-|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: you have the top suit, whom are you preempting?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: the doubters :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: on this hand there are some slam possibilities, but i think they can be defeated by a trump lead or two|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: haha|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It's a tough job, specs, of course he is|pg||
nt|Walddk2: We can all lean back when we feel like it, Simon can't|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Must follow every card|pg||
nt|frankaus: need the same effort as playing - |pg||
nt|kit: North will probably bid 3@D, and that will end the auction|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@H 7 hcp -|pg||
nt|hedyg: precision + gazzilli! wow|pg||
nt|athene: 2@C shows clubs or any 16+|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 4nt 6-4|pg||
nt|athene: then partner doesn't need to know what abstruse agreements you may or may not have - he just has to notice all the cards you throw |pg||
pc|hA|nt|Walddk2: http://www.gg.caltech.edu/ jeff/knr.cgi?hand=9x+t9xx+ajTx+Aq3 = 12.1|pg||
nt|bjacobs: So Edgar Kaplan says it's "marginal"|pg||
pc|h9|nt|lestergold: good pass by E|pg||
nt|dinos1: wd u rebid 2@d or 1N?|pg||
nt|petergill: I think 4@H might be unmakable - too much work to do. |pg||
pc|h5|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@h giving 6 cards in @S, otherwise with 5@S and 4@H better pass at 1Nt|pg||
nt|kit: unfortunately, pass isn't part of West's vocabulary|pg||
nt|bjacobs: The spots are worth about 1 HCP|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 1nt relay|pg||
nt|frankaus: dont even get a rest as dummy |pg||
nt|hedyg: lost the @ds|pg||
pc|sA|nt|lestergold: well this doesn look like then worlds greatest contract|pg||
nt|daman: West has no green cards in his bidding box|pg||
nt|lestergold: with the lie of the cards it has no chance|pg||
nt|athene: yes, but they were only a minor suit anyway|pg||
pc|s3|nt|kit: declarer might mistakenly duck this, thinking West has the queen -- with embarassing results when West continues the suit|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@D seems a lot better here|pg||
pc|s4|nt|fabsayc: no point in passing if you intend to hang partner :)|pg||
nt|bobh1: i would open both the E and W hands|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@c here the balanced 12-16 version|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
nt|ady: diamon lead even worse|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: i think that over strong 1cl|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: the 1nt bidding is a cue bid|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: asking about the intervention|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Agree - it shouldn't be natural.  It asks: "are you joking partner, or is your bid for real?"|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: 2 diamond natural and then 2sp means good invitational |pg||
nt|xenya: very reasonable, yes|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: y|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: that is true only over strong club opening |pg||
pc|s2|nt|hedyg: 1@H is 4+ cards and 9+ HCPs|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok small @H|pg||
pc|sT|nt|othered1: If I recall correctly, 1@H is a positive response, showing about 8+ points|pg||
nt|athene: north should surely hit this, with the @DA in his hand?|pg||
nt|petergill: sorry, cancel that - you were right about the good views needed to make 4@H - assunming no absurd (successful) defence to 4@H of @S - @S - @S. |pg||
nt|hedyg: on a @D lead had to finesse in @H and play K@C, then when J@C drops on Q@C must guess it is stiff|pg||
pc|sK|pc|h7|pg||
nt|lestergold: a poor bid 3d vulnerable without the trick taking security of decent diamonds|pg||
nt|petergill: In 2@H, declarer might have problems retaining trump control.|pg||
nt|hedyg: more and more so playing @c|pg||
nt|athene: east is hoping to put the defence in a quandary|pg||
nt|athene: if they lead trumps to stop the club ruff, that gives him tempi to get his diamonds started|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|h3|pc|s6|nt|kit: If declarer had concentrated on taking 8 tricks, winning the first trick would be quite clear|pg||
nt|Walddk2: The players are also tired|pg||
nt|kit: he can still make, and probably should, but now there are some pitfalls|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@D (i don't like1Nt with singleton in @C having 5 good cards in @D - i think more costructive for search to play 3Nt)|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg||
nt|lestergold: and he will pay then price|pg||
nt|daman: 3@D was really bad|pg||
nt|shevek: south would have done better to duck|pg||
nt|athene: but this contract will surely go down|pg||
nt|athene: because north is threatening to get a ruff with the short hearts|pg||
nt|hedyg: http://homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/pdf/GazzilliND.pdf ( i cannot open it)|pg||
nt|shevek: making now|pg||
nt|athene: so declarer will be very tempted to bash out the hearts from the top|pg||
nt|athene: yes, can make now but i am not sure it will|pg||
nt|hedyg: can make if he plays @c now|pg||
nt|athene: declarer doesn't know he can play a club without letting south in|pg||
nt|hedyg: then ruff 1 @c and give 2 @hs|pg||
nt|athene: it's only because north has ALL the club cards (@CQJ10)|pg||
pc|h6|nt|hedyg: AQ@S unlikely lead|pg||
nt|hedyg: ciao Fulvio :)|pg||
pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg||
nt|lestergold: 4 side suit losers and whatever trumps the defence make |pg||
nt|lestergold: not pretty|pg||
nt|ady: may lose some of that 22 point lead|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: loosing 1 imp|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: ciao Hedy|pg||
mc|11|nt|lestergold: 3d very indisciplined indeed|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ciao Fulvio|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: ciao Simon|pg||
pg||
qx|o14|st||md|4S654H2DKT8632C764,SK87HK984DA54CKJ5,SAQJT2HA6DQJ7CT92,S93HQJT753D9CAQ83|sv|o|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|dA|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|s7|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|h5|mc|10|pg||
qx|c14|st||md|4S654H2DKT8632C764,SK87HK984DA54CKJ5,SAQJT2HA6DQJ7CT92,S93HQJT753D9CAQ83|sv|o|nt|kit: maybe -- but one makes that play in one's sleep|pg||
nt|daman: Primavera picked up 10 more on Board 42    opening 4@S here   3@S in the OR|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Scope for some action now|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Angelini +29 after 14|pg||
nt|athene: so it didn't really hurt to go for the club|pg||
nt|hedyg: 4NT was good insurance|pg||
mb|2H|nt|bjacobs: Good bidding challenge here.  The correct contract is 3NT, without a spade stopper|pg||
nt|fabsayc: game both ways|pg||
nt|bobh1: 4@s makes because the @d's cooperate|pg||
nt|chick: maybe slam in hearts EW|pg||
nt|athene: hmmmm.... something strange happened in the other room on this board|pg||
nt|hedyg: obviously misunderstanding|pg||
nt|athene: well - there are several possibilities|pg||
nt|athene: a) east forgot they were playing transfers over 1@C so 1@S denied a major|pg||
nt|hedyg: but 4 @s is quickly off|pg||
nt|hedyg: rather good weak 2|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: 6cl not as bad contract for n/s only fails on a spade lead because KH wrong|pg||
nt|hedyg: in @c|pg||
mb|2N|nt|bridge_one: yes, the open of 4@S was correct|pg||
nt|lestergold: but they wont be allowed to bid this without interference|pg||
nt|ady: 6@C without spade lead|pg||
nt|kit: good 6@C slam here, but probably goes down on spade lead|pg||
nt|bobh1: slam is quite good here|pg||
nt|athene: b) 3nt was system, showing a big balanced spade raise, but east forgot|pg||
nt|petergill: 2@D = one major, I think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@D one major|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
mb|3S|nt|bjacobs: And I think 3NT is the only making game|pg||
nt|xenya: another nice slam on limited values|pg||
nt|bobh1: yes, in @hs they lack an entry to the W hand on a @d lead|pg||
nt|chick: either one, except on @D lead|pg||
nt|daman: 6-10   6 card suit|pg||
nt|daman: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2NT asking|pg||
mb|4C|nt|daman: EW  will  mix it up a bit|pg||
nt|hedyg: i hate to have to pass with the E hand|pg||
nt|hedyg: no misunderstanding     E alerted 3N and passed     they play it as bal 18/19 +4@s|pg||
nt|athene: c) west "took a view" and hid his fourth spade (unlikely)|pg||
nt|stewball: 3@s offering:)|pg||
mb|4S|nt|hedyg: @c is 100%|pg||
nt|hedyg: ok 50 with @H finesse :)|pg||
nt|fabsayc: and club split|pg||
mb|5H|nt|ady: at last someone bid their suit|pg||
nt|kit: If East leads king of spades, can still make I believe on squeeze-endplay if declarer reads it.  On small spade lead, no chance.|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3@s is Stop|pg||
nt|ady: yes |pg||
nt|xenya: 2@S?|pg||
nt|bobh1: to me the E hand is a clear 2@h opening|pg||
nt|fabsayc: subtact another 22%|pg||
nt|chick: clubs have to behave either way of course|pg||
nt|Walddk2: No strong club, so they will likely stop short of game here|pg||
nt|kit: 3NT likely contract, down on club lead if defense doesn't let declarer steal too many tricks|pg||
nt|dinos1: needs @c lead to beat 3N|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Angelini +39 after 15|pg||
nt|stewball: 5@h declining|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: swing?|pg||
mb|d|nt|kit: seems like South would do better raising clubs and letting partner know what trumps are|pg||
nt|dinos1: 2N now?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2@C is gazzilli|pg||
nt|dinos1: 2@c - sort of relay?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: I guess all specs want to see Versace, Lauria, Nunes in the final tomorrow, and there is a good chance|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@C : nat or any strong (shows 14-16) because they play strong @C|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Mariani probably process the hand like balanced 17 hcp|pg||
nt|hedyg: E took a view, not W|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: first rule of constructive bidding -- set the trump suit|pg||
nt|ady: small spade difficult to find   |pg||
nt|lestergold: maybe 3S agrees clubs does anyone know for sure|pg||
nt|lestergold: cuebidding the oppos implied suit often does |pg||
nt|lestergold: they are bidding as if they have agreed clubs|pg||
nt|fabsayc: may get there now|pg||
nt|xenya: yes Hedy, but sometimes you have to do things you hate to do :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: but we can see they split|pg||
nt|athene: Nunes might be imagining 1-6-1-5 opposite|pg||
nt|daman: I have commentated NS several times the past couple of days    they have very few green cards in their bidding boxes|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: if 3@S agrees clubs, how can they sensibly get to 3NT when they belong there?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: no - look at the time Masoero thougth before bid 4@D - if 3@S was cue with @C raise he would bid more fast for sure|pg||
nt|athene: yes|pg||
nt|petergill: Diamond switch for potential ruff --> then declarer must refuse to take the @S finesse|pg||
nt|hedyg: A@S after the ruff?|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: we shall soon know |pg||
nt|bridge_one: Masoero thought was batter to play 5@C that 3Nt receiving the lead By West |pg||
nt|lestergold: unassuming cue bid im sure|pg||
nt|bridge_one: having KQJx in @s i agree this valuation by North|pg||
nt|dinos1: what wd W lead after 1@h-1N, 2N-3N?|pg||
pc|s6|nt|bobh1: they both have nice hands for slam|pg||
nt|hedyg: surely Nunes thinks stiff @s|pg||
nt|daman: either that or they use banned substances|pg||
nt|hedyg: even i do though seeing all hands!|pg||
pc|sK|nt|bobh1: surprising if they don't bid it|pg||
nt|hedyg: get rid of the pessimists pages pls|pg||
nt|fabsayc: cold= on any layout  makeable = on actual layout|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 2Nt directly i suppose 6/4 any strong|pg||
pc|sA|nt|bjacobs: OK, now the defence ...|pg||
nt|bjacobs: They have to start with spades, to have any hope|pg||
nt|xenya: 2@S shows 6@Hs i'm told |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S : is mono or min with 5@H4@S|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: mono= long @h suit|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|kit: club better than spade, since with 5 spades his partner might have overcalled 1@S|pg||
nt|dinos1: yes, ic (playing gazzilli)|pg||
nt|dinos1: mean if 2N is nat|pg||
nt|bridge_one: sample :  1@s 1nt - 2Nt 3@c(relay) - 3@d (6@h/4@D), 3@h = 6@h/4@c)|pg||
nt|kit: one should lead one's 5-card suit vs. 3NT.  If you don't see a 5-card suit in your hand, look in partner's hand.|pg||
nt|shevek: 3NT with 24 hcp and flat hands more likely to make if closer to 12-12 rather than 19 - 5|pg||
pc|s3|pg||
nt|lestergold: i think they are bidding a doomed 6C|pg||
nt|bridge_one: this DBL at 4@S seam crazy, but need ! otherwise they could make slam !|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He won't get a spade lead, but can he make it now?|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Too tough for South.  Both @S and @D unbid - it was natural to lead a diamond|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Double dummy he can, but will he?|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Yes, it's rather tricky|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Versace also led a diamond|pg||
nt|bjacobs: You have to ruff a diamond, take two hearts and then paly on clubs?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Yes, that adds up to 10|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Certainly makes it if both key suits break 3-2|pg||
nt|othered1: 2@H shows longer @H than @C here, with an opening bid, no?  So that's not really an option in the style they are playing, even if other styles would work better here.|pg||
nt|fabsayc: but key is the doubleton diamond, this is not going to be diagnosed|pg||
nt|hedyg: couldnt N cuebid directly over 1@s?|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d9|nt|Walddk2: Would you find a low spade from Kx at the table, Mike?|pg||
nt|lestergold: well im half right so far|pg||
nt|hedyg: the discision to pass 3NT was good, better chances than 4 @s|pg||
nt|stewball: so N created a very nice result|pg||
pc|d2|nt|bridge_one: Masoero always one UP ...|pg||
nt|bjacobs: And falls into an overtrick when the long club is with the long heart|pg||
nt|fabsayc: direct cue would probably he a king stronger, hedy|pg||
nt|xenya: i assume 3@S shows a 5-card suit|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|kit: I still think it can make on king of spades lead -- ace of spades, diamond to ace, diamond ruff, club to ace, diamond ruff, run the clubs -- what does West hold?|pg||
nt|chick: so they settle for a +100|pg||
nt|dinos1: now set @s and see|pg||
nt|Walddk2: the double is sporty, but not silly. Lo Presti knows that hearts don't break|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 8 tricks, no way to make 9|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Declarer could have @HJ of course. Only a small step between success and failure|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Lo Presti hope the @H are stopped by West :)|pg||
nt|kit: declarer has to take straightforward approach of knocking out ace of spades and then hoping hearts 3-3.  No time to do anything else.|pg||
nt|dinos1: E shd discard @c's on @s|pg||
pc|h4|nt|lestergold: will he find that line kit>?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: yes, slam is made|pg||
nt|kit: Well, we shall see.  Should East have found small spade lead?  Maybe he should.|pg||
nt|bridge_one: now|pg||
nt|lestergold: what will stop him taking the heart finesse|pg||
nt|ady: west could be 6-5 without K@H  so the end play is not guaranteed rather than the simple heart finesse  |pg||
nt|xenya: strong 1@C with @Ss|pg||
nt|hedyg: or was it S?|pg||
pc|hA|nt|hedyg: 2H/2S by E as opening =two suited hand with 5+cards in bid suit and 4+ cards in club suit, 14-16hcps including distribution|pg||
pc|h7|nt|frankaus: need to go soon bye all|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Thanks Frank|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
nt|kit: I'm not saying he should find it -- I'm just saying it is possible|pg||
nt|petergill: Yes, @SA is good safety play I think, then club to dummy for spade up |pg||
nt|daman: North    |pg||
nt|stewball: on a hand many would not consider coming in|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|h5|nt|lestergold: my money is that he goes off|pg||
nt|hedyg: so he had the shape but not the strength|pg||
nt|hedyg: not this time:)|pg||
nt|petergill: OK, makes no difference|pg||
pc|d3|nt|bobh1: this session has been a route for Fornaciari|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Bye Frank !|pg||
pc|d4|pg||
nt|bridge_one: small @S would be better|pg||
mc|10|nt|daman: the gig is up|pg||
nt|daman: lengthening their lead|pg||
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pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pg||
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qx|c15|st||md|1S54HQ9852DKT84CJ7,SAQT3HAT3DAJ93CQ3,S872H64D7652CAK65,SKJ96HKJ7DQCT9842|sv|n|nt|ady: small could be on with the hearts 5-1|pg||
nt|daman: much better than a Roland slam|pg||
nt|daman: by about 53%|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: i am back |pg||
nt|fulvio2002: need something|pg||
nt|april7: 4@S by N but unmakable|pg||
nt|ralfwil: I think you will have 11 on your play Bill|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Well 10 imps in.  What's the line on 14?|pg||
nt|hedyg: running scores in all matches at  http://www.federbridge.it/g2bwrama/ftpout/minirama.html|pg||
nt|othered1: Fornaciari has done well, but it really looks like Savelli have been losing imps more than Fornaciari winning them|pg||
nt|bobh1: on the previous board, NS defended better but lost a lot of imps anyway|pg||
nt|hedyg: but with canapé 1@H could be 4 cards.......|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Angelini + 41|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: looks a "standard" results 1N+1 for a flat 23 points|pg||
nt|athene: some might open south 2nt but i think it's actually too good|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: hard not to be in 3N here but it's rather a tight contract|pg||
nt|hedyg: they play vulnerable 1@c strong|pg||
nt|athene: you basically are going to make 3nt facing the right nothing|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: bridgemate problems....|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: last 2 boards of this segment|pg||
nt|hedyg: then declarer plays A@s first|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 2@H was michaels on board 46|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: the other room auction looks like 2@D(Multi)-3@H(preemptive raise)|pg||
mb|1N|nt|bridge_one: however also not seeing all the cards it is normally to play the finesse at the end, not immediatly, taking all possible informations |pg||
nt|pjs_ch: over which South is forced into 3N|pg||
nt|hedyg: average has dropped to "only" 6 imp/bd|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: W might bid @S before N|pg||
nt|bjacobs: I don't care about the overtrick, but I'm getting more and more confused about what the right play might have been|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@d also Ghestem|pg||
nt|hedyg: very popular in Italy|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes|pg||
nt|hedyg: and with me :)|pg||
nt|Walddk4: Semi-finals at 21.45 local time (in about 2 hours and 30 minutes): Angelini vs Bassini  and D'Avossa vs Fornaciari|pg||
nt|hedyg: E is wondering how many HCPs are in this board|pg||
nt|hedyg: ty Roland|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: but with 2 good suits...not with 4 orrible points:)|pg||
nt|shevek: I wonder what the auction meant in OR|pg||
mb|2C|nt|xenya: 1@C -- 2@H -- pass -- 3@H?|pg||
nt|hedyg: i think E can guess who doesnt have his bid|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: the spade lead offered 10 tricks since it gave an entry to dummy|pg||
nt|shevek: 2@d by south = GF ?|pg||
nt|hedyg: 1@d 0-7|pg||
nt|shevek: then 3@h by north??|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@D 6@D4@H|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 1@C strong|pg||
nt|xenya: double that is|pg||
nt|april7: 3@H by W and 4@S by N|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: Bill i think i had play as you was saying |pg||
nt|xenya: NS in the othe other room did really well to bid and make 4@H|pg||
nt|bobh1: at these colors, surely everyone would show their majors|pg||
nt|fabsayc: all h's are silent in italian, sometimes invisible|pg||
nt|hedyg: how does N show his @ss? surely 2 @s would not be natural|pg||
mb|2S|nt|bridge_one: a particular michael's, 5+@S and 4+in a minor|pg||
nt|Walddk2: wow|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Time to quit!|pg||
nt|othered1: the @S bid looks to be born of frustration|pg||
nt|shevek: maybe Xfer to @s|pg||
nt|hedyg: wow great bid|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: nice gadget|pg||
nt|petergill: Bd 46: @D switch at Trick 2 would be vital if East had @SAJx. |pg||
nt|hedyg: nice gadget|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: good try but failed to keep them outr of thje obvious 3N|pg||
nt|bjacobs: while I'm ahead :)|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: but if Lorenzo played in this way probably he saw something we didnt|pg||
nt|Walddk2: You made his day, Fulvio|pg||
nt|hedyg: leaddirecting nv bid|pg||
nt|athene: either 2@D was multi (most likely) or perhaps 2@D was 18-20 balanced and 3@H was spades (less likely)|pg||
mb|4S|nt|bridge_one: but however 10 cards in two suit|pg||
nt|xenya: but it is going to work out here|pg||
nt|Walddk2: 1@S = 3 controls again|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Ace + king or  three kings|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: (In other room) If 2@D was strong flat or a weak two, then North's 3@H shows supprt for both majors|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol echo|pg||
mb|p|nt|daman: que pasa?  on one hand a double shows cards and a bid is weak    is 3@H strong on this auction?|pg||
nt|daman: very inconsistent|pg||
nt|hedyg: this double is business|pg||
mb|p|nt|lestergold: 3cl and a heart forthen defence for the taking but that will be oyall|pg||
nt|fabsayc: why 5@C|pg||
nt|shevek: thx Patrick|pg||
mb|p|nt|athene: i have noticed the italians in general really don't like "normal" weak jump overcalls|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|athene: for example, earlier on|pg||
pc|cA|nt|athene: on board 38|pg||
nt|athene: south bid 1@S rather than 2@S|pg||
nt|daman: this match is much closer now|pg||
nt|athene: so it's only logical they should use the jump bids to show some other hand|pg||
nt|xenya: @H shift now -- will beat it |pg||
nt|daman: Fornaciari needs on good swing on the last 2|pg||
nt|petergill: True. Italians are influenced by Garozzo et al, and avoid weak jump overcalls if possible. |pg||
nt|xenya: maybe by 2 tricks|pg||
nt|stewball: eok would call that 11 imps from nowehere|pg||
pc|c2|nt|fulvio2002: i am sure he calculated something we didnt |pg||
nt|othered1: That might be west's rationalization for the bid, b ut why is partner likely on lead and why is a @S better than @C?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: he will direct himself to lead another suit :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: fine lead|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Hugony knows what it is|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Just not which ace and king|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: the bidding here might discourage the spade lead|pg||
nt|athene: oh what a difference a lead makes :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: it was multi|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: which probbaly means a swing|pg||
nt|athene: in the other room, north's 3@H showed both majors (pass or correct, pre-empt in partner's presumed weak-2)|pg||
nt|athene: so west didn't have much to go on for the lead|pg||
nt|athene: here there's much more to go on|pg||
nt|hedyg: indeed|pg||
pc|c7|nt|bobh1: yes it takes a @s lead to beat 6@h, assuming N takes the obvious backwards finesse in @d's|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|dinos1: extra @dJ wd give slam|pg||
nt|athene: no chance to make this now|pg||
pc|cK|nt|daman: 4@S doubled on the last board would only go for 800|pg||
pc|c4|nt|xenya: not in 3N though, which i think is inferior to 4@H |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: something wrong in the world today:)|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|hedyg: "obvious" you mean?|pg||
nt|dinos1: or @sK and @dAQ|pg||
nt|hedyg: eok= Eric Kokish|pg||
nt|hedyg: John what is the O?|pg||
nt|daman: Eric O'Kokish to the Irish|pg||
nt|hedyg: lol|pg||
nt|stewball: i promised i would never tell|pg||
nt|hedyg: rofl|pg||
nt|hedyg: only 1600 viewers, stays private..|pg||
pc|h6|nt|vugraphzbg: he felt qjx @H   :)|pg||
pc|h7|nt|bobh1: yes in quotes would have been more appropriate|pg||
nt|xenya: there it is|pg||
mc|11|nt|hedyg: LOL|pg||
nt|hedyg: how high will they go?|pg||
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qx|c16|st||md|2S2H975DQJ42CAK742,ST9HA862DKT3CQT83,SAKQHKJT43D9876CJ,SJ876543HQDA5C965|sv|e|nt|daman: last board now |pg||
nt|Walddk2: Last board of the match and our broadcast from Italy today. Many thanks to Simon Fellus, our splendid operator at Salsomaggiore. Well done!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see you tomorrow at 10.00|pg||
nt|daman: 4@S for NS|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: thank you for splendid!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Also thanks to our excellent commentators: George Holland, Kit Woolsey, Giorgio Mauri, David Edwin and Mike Gold|pg||
nt|daman: bravo Simon|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: grazie|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Last board of the session now. Many thanks to Simon Fellus, our outstanding operator at Salsomaggiore. Well done!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Also thanks to our excellent commentators: Ralf Willquist, Vladimir Ivanov, Bill Jacobs, Fulvio Fantoni and Avram Kreisberger|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Finally, our appreciation to the FIGB (Gianluca Frola) for allowing us to broadcast from this event. On behalf of BBO, Vincenzo Delle Cave has been instrumental in setting up a ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: fine show|pg||
nt|xenya: this might be interesting|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see you at 15.00|pg||
nt|hedyg: last board of this segment now|pg||
nt|othered1: That's a nice rationalization, but partner hasn't acted yet and it may be your hand.|pg||
nt|bobh1: slowing down the forniciarri express|pg||
nt|hedyg: thanks to our outstanding operator in Salsomaggiore,Simon Fellus!again always a pleasure to commentate at your table.|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see u at 17.30!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty hedy|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: to my excellent fellow commentators  Cornelia Yoder, Bob Heitzman, Vladimir Ivanov, Ed Shapiro, Martin Johnson and of course Roland Wald for donating their time and expertise to ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: guide us through these boards.as well as to the FIGB with Gianluca Frola for bringing this event to BBO, especially Vincenzo Delle Cave who was intrumental in organizing these ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: broadcasts on behalf of BBO|pg||
nt|hedyg: we will be back at 8:30 am Los Angeles, 11:30 am New York, 17.30 Paris, 4:30 pm London|pg||
nt|hedyg: thanks to our outstanding operator in Salsomaggiore,Simon Fellus!grazie tanto Simon.|pg||
nt|hedyg: to my excellent fellow commentators  Cornelia Yoder, Bob Heitzman, Martin Johnson and of course Roland Wald for donating their time and expertise to guide us through these ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: boards.as well as to the FIGB with Gianluca Frola for bringing this event to BBO, especially Vincenzo Delle Cave who was intrumental in organizing these broadcasts on behalf of BBO|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: you welcome:)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see you later!|pg||
nt|hedyg: we will be back at 12:45 pm Los Angeles, 3:45 pm New York, 21.45 Paris, 8:45 pm London, 7:45 am Saturday Sydney|pg||
nt|hedyg: special thanks to our specs for joining and for your kind and helpful comments,we hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
nt|fabsayc: thanks all, good comments from our spectators too|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Last board of the session and our broadcast from Italy today. Many thanks again to Simon Fellus, our impeccable operator at Salsomaggiore. Well done!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Also thanks to my excellent fellow commentators: Giorgio Mauri, Sergey Kustarov, Ellen Pomer, Frank Budai and Kit Woolsey|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty! goodnight!!! see u tomorrow!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: last board|pg||
nt|shevek: not a boring match , I agree :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: last board now of this segment|pg||
nt|daman: last board npw|pg||
nt|petergill: I think Carlo Mariani judged well not to bid 3@S, opposite the limited opener (about 10-15). 3@s probably fails. |pg||
nt|daman: now*|pg||
nt|hedyg: last board|pg||
nt|daman: and here were are    et le voici   last board this session|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: In 2 hours and 35 minutes|pg||
nt|bobh1: agree great job Simon--operating the vuegraph is hard to do so seamlessly|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: So that 106 imps swung so far on 15 boards, average moving back up  :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: thanks to our outstanding operator in Salsomaggiore,Simon Fellus, great job!|pg||
nt|hedyg: thanks to our outstanding operator in Salsomaggiore,Simon Fellus, great job again!|pg||
nt|daman: bravo Simon|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty...see u for the final....17.30 i think|pg||
nt|hedyg: to my excellent fellow commentators Vladimir Ivanov,Peter Gill, George Holland, Bill Frisby and of course Roland Wald for donating their time and expertise to guide us through ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: these boards.as well as to the FIGB with Gianluca Frola for bringing this event to BBO, especially Vincenzo Delle Cave who was intrumental in organizing these broadcasts on behalf ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: of BBO|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: grazie:)|pg||
mb|1H|nt|hedyg: thanks to our outstanding operator in Salsomaggiore,Simon Fellus, great job again!|pg||
mb|1S|nt|bridge_one: Fellus is one of the best :)|pg||
nt|kit: 4@S may not be so easy.  What 10 tricks?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Our broadcast from Scotland (Gold Cup) starting shortly|pg||
nt|ralfwil: Thanks all. I wish you all a nice weekend|pg||
nt|hedyg: special thanks to our specs for joining and for your kind and helpful comments,we hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sometimes...|pg||
nt|bobh1: thx all|pg||
nt|hedyg: to my excellent fellow commentators  Nicoleta Giura,Peter Gill,Patrick Shields, Bill Frisby and of course Roland Wald for donating their time and expertise to guide us through ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: these boards.as well as to the FIGB with Gianluca Frola for bringing this event to BBO, especially Vincenzo Delle Cave who was intrumental in organizing these broadcasts on behalf ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: of BBO|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty..see u later|pg||
nt|hedyg: we will be back at 6:00 am Los Angeles, 9:00 am New York, 15.00 Paris, 2:00 pm London, 1:00 am Sunday Sydney|pg||
nt|athene: thanks all....|pg||
nt|hedyg: we will be back at 8:30 am Los Angeles, 11:30 am New York, 17.30 Paris, 4:30 pm London|pg||
nt|hedyg: special thanks to our specs for joining and for your kind and helpful comments,we hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
mb|2S|nt|Walddk2: Finally, our appreciation to the FIGB (Gianluca Frola) for allowing us to broadcast from this event. On behalf of BBO, Vincenzo Delle Cave has been instrumental in setting up a ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: fine show|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: which fellus..my bro is in the other room:)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Finally, our appreciation to the FIGB (Gianluca Frola) for allowing us to broadcast from this event. On behalf of BBO, Vincenzo Delle Cave has been instrumental in setting up a ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: fine show|pg||
nt|athene: another Gazilli auction coming up|pg||
mb|p|nt|april7: its a partscore in @S by EW or a @D partscore,which is worse because of @S ruffs by the defence|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 3@D preemptive|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 2@S 3@H limit +|pg||
nt|hedyg: to my excellent fellow commentators Ellen Pomer, John Stewart, George Holland, Bill Frisby and of course Roland Wald for donating their time and expertise to guide us through these ...|pg||
nt|hedyg: boards.as well as to the FIGB with Gianluca Frola for bringing this event to BBO, especially Vincenzo Delle Cave who was intrumental in organizing these broadcasts on behalf of BBO|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: ty!|pg||
nt|caitlin: and how proud we are the eok is Canadian...just entice him with chinese food :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see u later!!!|pg||
nt|hedyg: we will be back at 12:45 pm Los Angeles, 3:45 pm New York, 21.45 Paris, 8:45 pm London, 7:45 am Sunday Sydney|pg||
nt|caitlin: ty Hedy:)|pg||
mb|2N|nt|fulvio2002: see you later and thanks to our Chief commentator  Roland ...... the best in all over the world |pg||
nt|Walddk2: *blush*  :)|pg||
nt|xenya: thanks everyone|pg||
nt|athene: 3nt N-S is a contract i wld have confidence in making even against top defence|pg||
nt|daman: Kokish is a big dim sum fan|pg||
nt|hedyg: special thanks to our specs for joining and for your kind and helpful comments,we hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
mb|p|nt|bridge_one: :-)))|pg||
nt|bridge_one: Thx also at Roland, excellent director |pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yes|pg||
nt|hedyg: special thanks to our specs for joining and for your kind and helpful comments,we hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
nt|athene: now 2@C from east, 2@S from west|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: EW stopped early in other room, playing 2@S on 26 hcp|pg||
mb|4H|nt|daman: may not be easy but I suspect they might get there|pg||
nt|kit: I see 2 clubs, 2 hearts, and 5 spades, but  10 isn't so obvious to me|pg||
nt|april7: thank you all and bye till next we meet|pg||
nt|hedyg: pasta time!|pg||
nt|caitlin: a close match turned not close:)|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Play will resume in 10 hours, 35 minutes and 19.549821 seconds, approximately|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|bridge_one: the best version i know of 1 strong @C with answer in controls, is a old version made by Ira Rubin - in this hand the answer was 1@h (1@S means 3 controls + 1 Q|pg||
nt|petergill: NS make both 3NT and 5@C |pg||
nt|hedyg: 6@c is there..|pg||
mb|p|nt|vugraphzbg: 10.30 tomorrow!!|pg||
nt|ady: I think can set up 5th club|pg||
nt|bridge_one: can't lose more that 1@S and 2@D with 1087@S in the dummy|pg||
nt|lestergold: i think that he can make 4spades if opps fail to lead trumps at him for the loss of two dims and a spade|pg||
nt|ralfwil: I can see that you are buzy|pg||
nt|bobh1: thx all . . . see you in a bit|pg||
nt|othered1: there's a canape opening and the raise pretty much promises 4-cards at least|pg||
nt|fabsayc: well this is vintage roman|pg||
nt|fabsayc: 2@S guarantees four card support|pg||
nt|xenya: reasonable for E to try for 4@S directly with his hand i think|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: which red six?|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: I don't see that happening here|pg||
nt|athene: west upgraded (three tens, and control cards)|pg||
nt|hedyg: but really not a good slam|pg||
nt|xenya: yes a lucky slam|pg||
nt|athene: yes, 6@C makes as it happens - ruffing finesse in spades to take care of the @H8|pg||
nt|athene: well the spade just drops so you don't even need the @S8 :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|ady: spade pips good enough|pg||
nt|othered1: the left one|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: :)|pg||
nt|fabsayc: east unbalanced so attacking heart seems right|pg||
nt|athene: now they are game-forcing|pg||
nt|hedyg: 3 more 16 bd segments to go|pg||
pc|s5|nt|ralfwil: Bye all.|pg||
nt|bjacobs: South went a bit quietly there, no?|pg||
nt|bjacobs: Mightn't he have tried 3@C, to ooch up his opponents?|pg||
nt|april7: the @S position might be clear to W and he will play accordingly|pg||
nt|athene: 2@D shows about 8+ hcp; i.e. "if you have the strong version of 2@C, we are game-forced"|pg||
nt|hedyg: 2@d= 8+?|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 8+|pg||
nt|hedyg: i only see 7|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: Lots of chances here in 3N|pg||
nt|caitlin: and all well worth watching:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: 6@s lead in OR|pg||
nt|caitlin: when is next one Hedy?|pg||
pc|s2|nt|Walddk2: Play will resume tomorrow at 10.30 local time, 9:30 am London, 1:20 am Los Angeles, 4:30 am New York, 8:30 pm Sydney with the quarter-finals. Welcome back then |pg||
nt|lestergold: this is a hand wher the unusual; lead of a singleton trump may be effective|pg||
nt|april7: good lead for declarer|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Malinowski-Sandqvist and the Hackett twins, all silver medalists from Beijing, will be playing on the de Botton team in the quarter-final match from Scotland in a few minutes. ...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Welcome to join there|pg||
nt|shevek: AK|pg||
nt|shevek: in my book that's 8  :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 7 with A and K...beautiful 7|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sK|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Thanks to all spectators for joining us tonight in Italy. Hope you enjoyed the show|pg||
nt|kit: Awkward problem -- from East's point of view West might have had a singleton diamond in which case 3NT not so good|pg||
nt|dinos1: and 1 1/2@s for +QJ? :)|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|fulvio2002: just for kibitzer i would like to tell how hard our Roland works .....he send  email and organize every meeting in BBO and give us the possibility to follow in the best way every ...|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: event . This is for English comment then GianLuca Frola is the great for italian commentating . |pg||
nt|hedyg: 3@c= 16+ with 4 @c|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: all the 10s|pg||
nt|hedyg: and without 3@h|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: yep|pg||
nt|shevek: maybe even 8.5|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: 9--|pg||
nt|hedyg: LOL|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: duck the first @H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry|pg||
nt|shevek: going once...|pg||
nt|athene: i wonder:- did south bid 4@H to cater for his partner having 5-5 majors?|pg||
pc|c5|nt|lestergold: however i expecty a dim lead|pg||
nt|daman: et le voici    here we are|pg||
nt|ady: even on spade lead  I think can make|pg||
nt|chick: Thanks for a nice session, everyone!|pg||
pc|cA|nt|Walddk2: If only he had made 6@C ......|pg||
nt|fabsayc: they use to lead doubletons into the unbid six card suit to their dismay against me|pg||
nt|bobh1: 6@s will make with correct view in @hs|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|hedyg: needed to lead @h|pg||
nt|athene: surely with that hand, north would double 3@D|pg||
nt|hedyg: anticuebid?|pg||
pc|h9|nt|xenya: alternatively, you can pitch a @S on the long heart -- or, if they lead @Ss, set up 2 tricks in that suit|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: bye all|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see u later|pg||
nt|hedyg: bye for now|pg||
nt|petergill: I guess so - I think South had no slam interest opposite a passed hand. |pg||
pc|h2|nt|bridge_one: however not easy with @S lead for comunications with the hand|pg||
nt|lestergold: heart lead didnt hurt|pg||
nt|kit: right -- can basically crossruff enough tricks, even with one overruff|pg||
nt|ady: ruff club with 7@S|pg||
pc|h3|nt|bobh1: however, although correct on this deal, it is not the percentage play|pg||
nt|kit: now declarer has reason to be nervous -- defense going like they aren't afraid of the club suit, and if club hook isn't on declarer has only 9 tricks|pg||
nt|bridge_one: 3Nt is normal to bid, but starting the auction at level 2@H or more, became difficult to find the right contract|pg||
pc|hQ|pg||
nt|april7: and now all the @D|pg||
nt|caitlin: board 16 in 4@H|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: hi all , i have something to say so i answer once only . I dont feel very good so i am home and i cannot play .|pg||
nt|hedyg: in 2 and half hours|pg||
nt|caitlin: open room|pg||
nt|hedyg: and we all wish you rapid recovery!|pg||
pc|c6|nt|caitlin: ty Hedy sorry was away briefly missed times:)|pg||
pc|cK|nt|fulvio2002: :)|pg||
pc|c8|nt|dinos1: @c now?|pg||
nt|bridge_one: now @C|pg||
nt|hedyg: np Ellen|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
nt|dinos1: y|pg||
nt|kit: very effective defense|pg||
nt|kit: declarer certainly should have pulled the last trump in case clubs 5-2|pg||
nt|dinos1: has to fin - nothing to do|pg||
nt|kit: declarer can cash the clubs and play South for J9x or Q9x of spades|pg||
nt|dinos1: @c fin is more probable|pg||
pc|h5|nt|bjacobs: This is true.  It's a labour of love ... but it's still labour!|pg||
nt|hedyg: Gaddi couldnt, didnt have 1|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: On this layout two ducks from South cuts off the diamonds better|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: but declarer is now a bit short of entreis to hand|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: esp if he has to tackle clubs|pg||
nt|caitlin: hi Fulvio our very best to you..|pg||
nt|hedyg: buona cena tutti|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h4|nt|hedyg: undo?|pg||
nt|fabsayc: a mostly solid set by north-south|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: sorry:)|pg||
nt|hedyg: :)|pg||
nt|hedyg: np|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: Won't SOuth return hearts in case North has KJxxxx ?|pg||
pc|s8|pg||
nt|athene: the play might have got interesting if East continued spades after the @HQ|pg||
pc|h8|nt|lestergold: it would be a baby error to ruff with 5s|pg||
nt|lestergold: he doesnt mind being over4-ruffed with K|pg||
nt|bridge_one: @H now by West|pg||
nt|ady: cross ruff becomes high|pg||
nt|hedyg: just a push|pg||
pc|hK|pc|s4|nt|hedyg: see you all in 39 minutes!|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: byeeeee|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: see u later|pg||
nt|hedyg: bye for now, bon appetit!|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
nt|athene: there was a chance west got a spade ruff|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|xenya: thanks everyone|pg||
nt|athene: interesting play from west|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: if no extra tricks get set up, declarer just loses two tricks in each minor|pg||
nt|shevek: still making|pg||
nt|pjs_ch: if he can get to all his tricks|pg||
nt|athene: if the defence continue the heart attack, that gives him the entry to set up the diamonds |pg||
nt|athene: even if not, playing clubs builds club tricks AND a possible @C10 entry|pg||
pc|s3|pc|d2|nt|lestergold: high cross ruff discarding dim on kH|pg||
nt|bridge_one: @H was better for the defence that overruff with the K of @S|pg||
nt|othered1: Thanks all and bye!|pg||
pc|h6|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|nt|ady: one more ruff is ok   can enjoy 5th club and discard diamond on heart|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d3|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Buona notte a tutti e arriverderci a domani. Good night all  |pg||
nt|bridge_one: NITE !|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: buona notte!|pg||
nt|dinos1: thx, nite :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: thanks!|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cQ|nt|pjs_ch: tricky hand to analyse, and hard for players as last board of the set|pg||
pc|hT|pg||
nt|lestergold: this just as good|pg||
nt|fulvio2002: bye all|pg||
nt|hedyg: hmm|pg||
nt|athene: the force has worked just as well, though|pg||
mc|8|nt|caitlin: wd|pg||
nt|athene: thanks all...|pg||
nt|caitlin: ty all...and again Fulvio our best to you@H|pg||
nt|vugraphzbg: byeeeeeeeeeee|pg||
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