vg|13th NEC CUP,Match 8,I,1,20,THE LATIN,0,SKOTII,0|
rs|3NN=,3NN=,3SW+2,3SW=,2DS+4,2DS+2,6HN=,6HN-1,6HS+1,7HS-1,6HW-2,4HW+1,4HW+1,3NE+2,3NS-1,3DE-1,2NNx=,3SN=,6NS-1,3NS-2,6SW=,5SW+1,2HW=,5CN-1,4HEx-2,4HE-2,5CS-2,4HW=,1NE+1,2DSx-2,3NS-1,1NN=,3NN=,3NN-2,3NS=,3HE-1,2SW+2,4SW+1,1NSx+1,3DW-2|
pn|Brenner,Asaoka,Frontaura,Tada,Kikuchi,G Goded,Sakurai,F Goded|pg||
qx|o1|st||md|3SAKQ85H97DK92CAQ2,STHAJ86D53CJT9764,S43HKT43DA76CK853,SJ9762HQ52DQJT84C|sv|o|nt|flash: we last saw Diego Brenner in Shanghai, representing Brasil in the Bermuda Bowl|pg||
nt|flash: i'm afraid i don't recognize any of the other names|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|flash: from the opening bid, we've got a natural approach for N-S  :)|pg||
nt|janm: It looks as if NS will end in 3NT on this hand, and should make it, although not as easily as it looks at first, since the spades split so badly|pg||
mb|1N|nt|flash: 2NT - 3NT?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: clubs too, but @HA is on|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|nt|flash: folks, there's a particularly virulent strain of Commentator's Curse going around, so we may not risk too many predictions|pg||
nt|tejjyid: too right|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Declarer will test spades, then take stock after the 2nd|pg||
nt|tejjyid: the last 8 things I said have been stupid|pg||
nt|tejjyid: and I take no personal responsibility|pg||
pc|d2|nt|flash: come might have tried:  'weren't borne out at the table,' but...|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d6|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|janm: I always make terrible predictions, so I'm afraid I can't blame any "curse" for my foolishness|pg||
pc|dK|nt|flash: also some|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d7|pg||
pc|sA|nt|Walddk2: Experts don't like to rely on finesses if they can avoid them|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sK|pc|c6|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
nt|flash: Plan B|pg||
nt|tejjyid: run @H 9?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That's not necessarily safe|pg||
nt|tejjyid: no it's not|pg||
nt|pelu: only 1 stop left in @D - so @H to K?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: well, if @H A is offside you are down unless @C behanve|pg||
nt|flash: and West's early @C pitch certainly suggests that the @Cs ain't friendly|pg||
pc|h7|nt|janm: He can play two clubs first to see whether they might split before leading the heart|pg||
pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c3|pc|d4|nt|pelu: a coke for me?|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|Walddk2: What about coffee at 5:25 in the morning?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: if you have a dentist in the family...|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h3|pc|s7|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|d8|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|nt|pelu: I have just maded a cup of tea|pg||
nt|janm: Although given that East seems to have at least 9 and maybe 10 cards in spades and diamonds, a club split is pretty unlikely|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|dA|mc|9|pg||
qx|c1|st||md|3SAKQ85H97DK92CAQ2,STHAJ86D53CJT9764,S43HKT43DA76CK853,SJ9762HQ52DQJT84C|sv|o|nt|joest: rehi to all|pg||
nt|vugraph140: we will start with board 7, not this board|pg||
nt|Walddk7: Also welcome to Arno Lindermann from Austria|pg||
nt|arno11: hi everybody|pg||
nt|vugraph140: Players still checking systems|pg||
nt|joest: hi Arno|pg||
nt|joest: I suspect east-west are done with Moysian heart fits for this set|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|joest: Zwol amazed not tohear a 2@h rebid|pg||
nt|joest: or 2@s|pg||
mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|rosaline: would you consider 3@C forcing?|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: 3@c must have been forcing although I wouldn't think so|pg||
nt|joest: some pairs play transfers here|pg||
mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|d2|nt|joest: but this doesn't look like it|pg||
nt|rosaline: I dont think that 3@C should be forcing|pg||
nt|rosaline: as I already mentioned, NS are Not a regular partnership|pg||
nt|arno11: a little too high..|pg||
nt|joest: South has a tough problem even in a regular partnership.  I don't know how many pairs could unwind a minor two suiter after this start|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d7|pg||
nt|rosaline: Wietske van Zwol is a former Venice cup winner (in 2000 to be precise :))|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|nt|joest: sporting of Jorstad to stay off the double|pg||
nt|arno11: 4@D is the last making spot for NS|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d6|pg||
pc|sA|pc|sT|nt|joest: nice play|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sK|pc|c6|nt|joest: not such a nice play|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
nt|rosaline: lol|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|c4|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c3|pc|s7|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h8|nt|joest: I would think partner played the heart deuce for a reason at trick one|pg||
pc|hK|nt|joest: had a chance to take this down three.  AS it is, only a push|pg||
nt|arno11: here we have South:  http://www.worldbridge.org/people/person.asp?qryid=3887|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
pc|c5|pc|d4|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|s9|pg||
pc|c2|mc|9|pg||
qx|o2|st||md|4SJTHQJ94DK96532CK,SAKQ862HT7DJTCA83,S75HAK652DQ8C9764,S943H83DA74CQJT52|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: EW don't quite have the values for it, but they can make 4@S|pg||
nt|pelu: HCP even - but 4@S easy by EW|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|janm: NS can make 3 hearts, so they might push EW a little|pg||
nt|tejjyid: a good hand for fit showing raises|pg||
nt|flash: even if a weak 2@D were available to South, the hand has far too many flaws for that call|pg||
nt|tejjyid: but EAst will accept any invitation after the 2@S start|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Most use Drury by a passed hand, Andrew|pg||
nt|flash: but we all know some who would have opened it  :)|pg||
nt|pelu: I would normal have 9-10 for a fitbid|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I refuse to acknowledge the existence of drury|pg||
nt|janm: And also 4 card support?|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: and weill continue to commentate on the assumption that there is no such convention|pg||
mb|3H|nt|pelu: no also on 3 card|pg||
nt|janm: For a fit-jump that is|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Asaoka should have bid 3@S|pg||
mb|p|nt|tejjyid: I think West should try something|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That would be normal with 6|pg||
nt|flash: 3@S to play, not as a game try|pg||
mb|p|mb|3S|nt|tejjyid: XX to say he has a good hand|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Indeed Jim|pg||
nt|janm: If he bids 3@s now, it's clearly not constructive - he'd have had to RDBl last round to make a game try|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: gametry = all other bids than 3@S|pg||
nt|flash: the expected(?) 170 about to appear?|pg||
pc|hA|nt|janm: Yes|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg||
nt|flash: Board 1 in as a push|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It's very rare that a 2@S raise can cover three losers|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h8|nt|Walddk2: That's what West needs for game to make|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hT|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|nt|tejjyid: that's what trial bids a re for Roland|pg||
nt|flash: (and the @CK in the slot?)|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sA|nt|janm: And East has a maximum for 2@s, at least if they do play Drury, even if Andrew doesn't believe in it :)|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|flash: the odds of the @CK being well-placed improved immensely once South Xd|pg||
nt|pelu: what is drury :)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: i guess NV it's OK not to be enterprising|pg||
mc|11|nt|tejjyid: but with 7 tricks in my own hand, I always feel game is not so far away|pg||
pg||
qx|c2|st||md|4SJTHQJ94DK96532CK,SAKQ862HT7DJTCA83,S75HAK652DQ8C9764,S943H83DA74CQJT52|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: closed room 2NT rolled home -- a contract that first blush appears beatable|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|rosaline: would you also have doubled 2@S?|pg||
mb|2S!|nt|joest: I think 2@s is spades + minor|pg||
mb|3D|mb|3S|nt|rosaline: correct|pg||
mb|p|nt|arno11: 2@S  was horrible|pg||
nt|joest: I think 2NT is a standout by West.  Why double with a 4=3=3=3 hand, a spade stopper and ahand in the nt range?|pg||
mb|p|nt|rosaline: it shows exactly 5@Ss and 4+ in a minor|pg||
nt|joest: east-west should be getting good at playing 4-3 heart contracts|pg||
nt|arno11: no matter what it showed :)|pg||
mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg||
nt|rosaline: I´d like to tell you a bit about the set up in this tournament, we (Karen and I) are sitting in a room seperated from the big playing area|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sA|nt|rosaline: we have here 1 table to broadcast on BBO (and we drink many Passion fruit juices)|pg||
nt|rosaline: the closed room of this match is stationed in the main playing area with the other tables|pg||
pc|s5|pg||
nt|joest: just to interrupt a brief sec Rosaline, I am surprised north did not return a LOW diamond asking for a club return|pg||
nt|rosaline: I am *running* from this table to the other table to collect the boards and scores from the other room|pg||
nt|joest: wow sounds like you have your hands more than full|pg||
nt|vugraph140: me too Jack|pg||
nt|rosaline: this is not a regular partnership, I dont know what their agreements are|pg||
nt|joest: well you're doing great|pg||
nt|vugraph140: surprised I mean:)|pg||
nt|joest: some pairs do play "upside down" suit preference but that is a very small minority|pg||
nt|arno11: this opening bid produced a plus score for NS, but still...|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|nt|lusobrasil: Hi everybody. Sorry for the lateness|pg||
nt|joest: hello rui|pg||
nt|rosaline: still this contract will go down of course|pg||
nt|arno11: if EW only had passed throughout the opening bid would have got what it deserved|pg||
nt|Walddk7: http://psbridge.gotdns.com/bbo/allvug/  for updated vugraph hand records (PDF)|pg||
pc|sJ|pg||
pc|c8|nt|arno11: hi|pg||
pc|c7|nt|vugraph140: hi Rui:)|pg||
nt|joest: I don't know style but I dont like 2@s at unfavorable second seat|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dJ|nt|joest: once one hand has passed the odds have increased (although not true) here that you rate to trap your partner rather than your opponents|pg||
nt|joest: this is not to mention the risk of going for a  |pg||
pc|d8|pc|d4|pg||
nt|arno11: you also have 3 cards in @H and might barr yourself from finding a heart fir|pg||
nt|arno11: fit|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|joest: true but when you're playing ahyperactive style overall you're committed to accepting those types of losses|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hJ|mc|9|pg||
qx|o3|st||md|1SATH4DAJ7542CAT96,SJ92HKQ85DT8CKJ42,SQ743H9732DK963C8,SK865HAJT6DQCQ753|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: Commentator poll (not Peter): you know what the Drury convention is called in Denmark?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: Bjorn?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: No|pg||
nt|tejjyid: snerke?|pg||
mb|1D|nt|Walddk2: Inverted Toronto if you play it reversed:)  I kid you not|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: Drury? :)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Yes|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|nt|flash: Otnorot|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I want to name a convention Snerke|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: I'd rather bid 2@D the first time|pg||
nt|janm: Wonder if South will bid any more?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I suppose it might be inverted|pg||
nt|flash: the 2@C call should show extra values (if and when South can reveal the 6th @D)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: I don't agree with that syle|pg||
nt|tejjyid: why not show both your suits?|pg||
pc|s2|nt|Walddk2: They are close to making 5@D; perhaps not on a trump lead|pg||
nt|flash: 3@S made only 3 (some questions are better left unanswered), so 2 IMPs for Skotii|pg||
nt|pelu: Andrew - what is wrong with he bidding - it looks normal to me|pg||
nt|tejjyid: (I know this is a minority view)|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg||
pc|h4|nt|tejjyid: well, ROland answerd the question - 5@D a shot & what are they doing?|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg||
nt|pelu: as S I would have bid 3@D|pg||
nt|tejjyid: The @H bid has misled South as to the value of the singleton|pg||
nt|flash: on this side of the pond, with a weak 6-4 (4 in a lower-ranking minor), we won't bid ABA without extra values; we'll bid AAB|pg||
nt|flash: if you can decipher my code|pg||
nt|tejjyid: weak preference hardly painst the picture of 4 card @D suopport|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|Walddk2: Yes, AAB is a football (soccer) club in Aalborg|pg||
pc|c8|pc|c3|pg||
pc|c6|nt|tejjyid: I can, and many here too|pg||
pc|c4|pc|d3|pc|c5|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|pelu: yes but 1@H is 100% normal - only DD u can support @D with 4-4 in major|pg||
pc|d4|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|Walddk2: And ABA is a misspelled ABBA I guess|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|d6|pc|c7|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|d2|pc|h8|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cK|nt|tejjyid: no, on a weak hand worth one bid, if you can support you should|pg||
nt|flash: still waiting/hoping for updated results to be posted...|pg||
pc|d9|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|d5|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|12|nt|Walddk2: Sometimes it's worth more than one bid, Andrew|pg||
nt|pelu: Andrew - that is not bridge!|pg||
pg||
qx|c3|st||md|1SATH4DAJ7542CAT96,SJ92HKQ85DT8CKJ42,SQ743H9732DK963C8,SK865HAJT6DQCQ753|sv|e|nt|rosaline: i think btw that 2@D with north wouldnt be a weird bidding :)|pg||
nt|joest: absolutely right|pg||
nt|arno11: and also West!   http://www.worldbridge.org/people/person.asp?qryid=3398|pg||
mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|rosaline: many people are afraid to bid ´only´ 2@D with such a ´strong´ hand. But that is not nessecary at all|pg||
nt|joest: hmm|pg||
nt|rosaline: okay now this board|pg||
mb|p|nt|joest: double: the unanimous choice :)|pg||
mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: I have played a t/o style with some partners called "clubs on your own" :)|pg||
nt|arno11: X rather strange :)|pg||
nt|rosaline: is it? :)|pg||
nt|joest: meaning I promise the majors.  You're on your own if you bid clubs.  This is perfect!|pg||
mb|p|pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|arno11: or her son:)|pg||
nt|arno11: sry|pg||
pc|dA|pg||
nt|joest: this is a good way to play a 5-1 club fit when you have a 5-3 heart fit|pg||
nt|rosaline: we havent seen many makable contracts at this table yet!|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c8|nt|lusobrasil: blame the dealer...|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|d6|nt|joest: declarer would like to work hearts but is concerned about a trump promotion|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|vugraph140: he?s not afraid:)|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|d2|nt|joest: concerned. although can always just shed his spade on a third heart play.  that would be a ticket to two down here|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|d9|pc|c7|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o4|st||md|2S2HKJ974DKQT72CAT,SJT84H6D63CJ98765,S6HAQT83DAJ954CQ4,SAKQ9753H52D8CK32|sv|b|nt|tejjyid: If you can make 4@H /@S on the North cards, 2@D raise isn't getting passed out|pg||
nt|Walddk2: What if it goes   1@D   1@H   ;    3@H     don't you raise to game with a double fit?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: Peter, take it up with Reese|pg||
nt|flash: 2 extra overtricks in this room, this time...   the major/minor scoring difference leaves it 2-1|pg||
nt|pelu: so u alert 2@D and tell - there can be 4 card major?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I know he's dead, but I merely quote|pg||
mb|p|mb|1H|nt|tejjyid: if you want me to, I will|pg||
nt|tejjyid: same with 1@H -2@H holding @S|pg||
nt|Walddk2: That's not the same|pg||
mb|3S|nt|tejjyid: yes it is|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Because then you already found *one* major fit|pg||
nt|pelu: no!!!!|pg||
nt|flash: it may not matter that East is quite full-valued for a 3@S call|pg||
nt|tejjyid: so? bid 2@D on the above hand & if you can make a major game, partner will bid again|pg||
nt|Walddk2: But for most mortals 2@D denies a major|pg||
nt|pelu: and a 2@H bid now ska: have u a hidden 4 card major?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: well, to save the spectators, we can take itoffline....but I have done a LOT of simulations on this problem|pg||
nt|flash: West will certainly now keep bidding @Ss|pg||
mb|4D|mb|p|nt|janm: 3@s enterprising and may make it difficult for NS to work out that they have so much duplication|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|nt|janm: If either of them had 2 spades and one club, they'd have an easy slam|pg||
nt|flash: mirrored hands, as it turns out|pg||
mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5S|mb|p|nt|flash: ok, specs - fess up...   how many would have passed as West?|pg||
mb|6H|nt|janm: Looks as if N is just going to bid the slam, expecting to have 5 hearts, 5 diamonds, S's Ace and a spade ruff in his hand - unlucky!|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Asaoka may take the "save" now; at least he thought about it|pg||
nt|janm: Sorry, South I mean :)|pg||
nt|pelu: I dont exp swing - it sh be same contract in closed|pg||
nt|janm: Certainly seems normal to bid this one|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: And it is, Peter!|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Another accurate prediction|pg||
pc|sA|nt|janm: And it won't be attractive for EW to save vul|pg||
pc|s2|nt|pelu: just wait  - when I am awake - then my predicts will fail - as normal|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s6|pg||
nt|janm: Now Tada just has to shift to a red suit to beat this|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Well, still one hurdle to overcome|pg||
pc|c2|nt|Walddk2: There you go!|pg||
nt|janm: Oops|pg||
nt|pelu: oh no?????|pg||
nt|flash: ohhhhhhh|pg||
nt|Walddk2: What did I win?|pg||
nt|flash: i'm surprised it's taking Frontaura this long - no other chance|pg||
nt|pelu: he know @CA in S - so he is more sleeping than me|pg||
nt|flash: no matter how slim/bizarre it might look|pg||
nt|Walddk2: He knows because South is dummy|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Just shrug and let it ride, what else can you do?|pg||
nt|janm: Of course, that made the club shift more attractive, since he doesn't know that N has the Q|pg||
nt|tejjyid: North is asking, does 3@S show 8 @C?|pg||
nt|flash: Goded (East) shifted to a normal(?) @D at trick 2|pg||
pc|cT|nt|pelu: but he can count 7 minor-cards in N - so no argument for playing @C|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|tejjyid: then he can rise & =drop the stiff K|pg||
mc|12|nt|janm: So a big swing here|pg||
pg||
qx|c4|st||md|2S2HKJ974DKQT72CAT,SJT84H6D63CJ98765,S6HAQT83DAJ954CQ4,SAKQ9753H52D8CK32|sv|b|nt|joest: 3NT was rather high on the north south cards in the closed room|pg||
mb|p|nt|lusobrasil: a couple of late tables, break time probably 20 minutes|pg||
mb|1H|mb|4S|mb|4N|mb|5S|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|6H|nt|arno11: they might get to 6@S now|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rosaline: no :)|pg||
nt|joest: 4@s is a massive underbid in my mind|pg||
pc|sA|nt|arno11: I think S  should at least splinter the N wld maybe still sign off over 4@C  |pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg||
nt|joest: and if NOrth wants to operate a bit with 1NT (which I don't like with this hand), he's far too strong.  17 highs and a semi-solid six card suit?|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|s4|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg||
pc|h9|pc|c6|pc|hA|pc|s3|pg||
pc|d5|pc|s5|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg||
pc|dT|pc|s8|pc|d9|pc|s7|pg||
pc|d7|pc|sT|pc|dA|mc|11|pg||
qx|o5|st||md|3SAT2HAKQ72DCAKJT3,SJ987H984DA7432CQ,SKQ63HJT6DK96C975,S54H53DQJT85C8642|sv|n|nt|flash: slam swings are huge at this form of scoring|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Still no update after round 7 I'm afraid|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: we'll see if E-W can stay at the table after that...|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Next slam|pg||
nt|tejjyid: more bidding challenges|pg||
mb|1H|nt|pelu: can S find out that he is missing 3. control in @C . or will he just bid the grand and hope?|pg||
nt|flash: 2-suited hand; big; start with 1@H to be able to show both suits|pg||
nt|tejjyid: ater the last hand, NS shoudl bid 7 on this|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Unlikely to bid a grand opposite a passed hand|pg||
nt|tejjyid: may as well cash in your luck when you have it|pg||
mb|2H|nt|flash: 4333; just under a limit raise?  downgrades|pg||
nt|janm: I don't think that the last hand affects this one - if anything, they'd want to be conservative with a solid lead|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|flash: a game try that Brenner hopes to clarify later as a slam try|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|flash: control bid?|pg||
nt|pelu: or u know that u have recived a gidt (16 IMPs) and now just bid normal|pg||
mb|4N|mb|p|nt|janm: Maybe he's hoping to get some information about N's hand by making a game try|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: No keycard, what a surprise|pg||
nt|flash: now that's a call i didn't expect from Brenner|pg||
mb|6C|nt|pelu: Ns had (passed) is too strong to bid 2@H in my book|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: But he found out that partner liked his hand, which was useful|pg||
mb|6H|nt|Walddk2: 6@C asking for 3rd rd control?|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: ok - he intended to force to slam and this was his way of getting partner to choose|pg||
nt|tejjyid: choice I reckon|pg||
nt|janm: I'd also bid a Drury 2@c with N after 1@h, but I know it's marginal|pg||
nt|flash: still....|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: They are in 7 next door!|pg||
pc|h9|nt|Walddk2: So swing back to the Japanese|pg||
nt|pelu: why not a jump to 2@S (fit bid for @H)|pg||
nt|janm: So a swing the other way to get back to about even?|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg||
nt|flash: only 13 back, but certainly closes the gap|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg||
nt|Walddk2: South opened 2@C in the closed room|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|hJ|nt|janm: Well, I think it's more standard for a fit-showing jump to show more than 7 cards in the two suits, Peter|pg||
pc|dQ|pg||
pc|cA|pc|cQ|nt|tejjyid: Peter, we may agree on 2@S; certainly better than 2@H|pg||
pc|c5|nt|flash: this is not a grand of beauty...   trumps and @Ss are fine, but need some luck in the @C position|pg||
mc|13|pg||
qx|c5|st||md|3SAT2HAKQ72DCAKJT3,SJ987H984DA7432CQ,SKQ63HJT6DK96C975,S54H53DQJT85C8642|sv|n|nt|arno11: That´s right but 1NT has the advantage that opps will not easily find a major suit fit |pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|joest: That's fair. You have to decide what risk you want toguard against|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|nt|joest: but when they DO find it, you are now guessing b/c you know that maybe you should be bidding on in diamonds|pg||
mb|p|mb|3H|nt|arno11: does not look very thrilling|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk7: Interesting board here. You have just the entries you need to do everything right if you are in slam|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|nt|arno11: flat board now|pg||
mb|7H|mb|p|nt|joest: some would jump to 4@s as north.  11 is a high for a hand that bids 3@s under pressure -- even with the queen of diamonds questionable|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg||
pc|h6|nt|lusobrasil: table 1 van helsing 20 druva 27 13-17|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|d5|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg||
mc|12|pg||
qx|o6|st||md|4SKQJ75H42D85CAKT6,S8HAKJT973DTCQ874,S62H6DQJ97642C532,SAT943HQ85DAK3CJ9|sv|e|nt|pelu: or 3@S over 3@C (as specs tell me) that would be a fine bid|pg||
nt|tejjyid: excellent after the 2@H start|pg||
nt|Walddk2: agreed|pg||
nt|janm: And it was very lucky to be able to describe the hand after a 2@c opening|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Oh dear|pg||
nt|Walddk2: You won't believe what happened|pg||
nt|flash: 1st round @C hook|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 1st rounfd finesse?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Declarer took a first round club finesse|pg||
nt|pelu: for sure strong 2-suiters dont open 2@C|pg||
nt|tejjyid: see, we have no trouble believing it|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|flash: so another 17 IMPs - and an indication of why bidding grand slams should be reserved for heavily odds-on situations|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Declarer had zillions of entries to the dummy, so not cashing a top club first is beyond belief|pg||
mb|4S|an|RKCB of !h|mb|p|nt|pelu: the grand is no beauty - and the biding in closed just a guess by S|pg||
nt|janm: Anyway, on to the next hand|pg||
nt|tejjyid: well, I admire that 4@S bid|pg||
nt|janm: EW certainly don't know that they lost a bundle of IMPs on the last hand, they know they might be about even|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I would never trust my partners to remember it was a splinter|pg||
nt|tejjyid: (sorry guys)|pg||
nt|Walddk2: It wouldn't be for me|pg||
nt|flash: i'd be more comfortable if i were certain that it's RKCB...   and i wouldn't be surprised to see East pass|pg||
mb|5H|an|2key+!hQ|nt|janm: My concept is that a bid of 4 of a previously bid Major is normally to play - I don't think this auction is sufficiently  unusual to vary that|pg||
nt|flash: he gets an answer to RKCB|pg||
nt|flash: over that hurdle|pg||
nt|tejjyid: takes great concentration to play those methods|pg||
nt|flash: but the West hand is (obviously) flawed for that action|pg||
nt|Walddk2: But if 4@S is RKCB it's a poor choice in my view with no C control|pg||
mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Just bid 4@D over 3@H|pg||
nt|tejjyid: good old Blackwood, Victor Mollo's substitute for intelligence|pg||
nt|pelu: how can u ask for Aces with an open suit?|pg||
nt|Walddk2: Then it's easy for East to sign off|pg||
nt|janm: Having bid KCB, West can't really stop now can he|pg||
nt|flash: 4@S rated not to be natural, since they were in a forcing auction|pg||
nt|flash: to set @Ss as trumps, West could have bid 3@S|pg||
mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|janm: I know, but I like to have simple rules :)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: sure Jim that's the logical position to take|pg||
nt|Walddk2: The lead doesn't even matter|pg||
nt|pelu: this match is over - before it realy started|pg||
nt|flash: and nowhere to park the embarassing 2nd @C loser?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: but fatigue can trump logic|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|pelu: if west like to make a slam try - then cue bid 4@D - that is normnal bridge|pg||
nt|flash: Carnaval is over in Rio, but i can hear the samba beat starting up...|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|h9|pc|s6|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sK|nt|janm: One more spade ruff and he'll have to give up I think|pg||
pc|hA|pc|d6|pg||
pc|h7|pc|d2|pc|h8|pc|h4|pg||
pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|hK|pc|d4|pg||
pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|h5|pc|c6|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|hJ|pc|c2|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cJ|nt|flash: 48-2 after 6 boards...   |pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|cK|nt|flash: most unfortunate - and not only for Skotii|pg||
pc|c7|pc|d7|pc|c9|pg||
nt|flash: down 2 now|pg||
pc|d8|mc|10|pg||
qx|c6|st||md|4SKQJ75H42D85CAKT6,S8HAKJT973DTCQ874,S62H6DQJ97642C532,SAT943HQ85DAK3CJ9|sv|e|nt|arno11: after this round there are 2 more ??|pg||
nt|joest: I believe this is the last board|pg||
nt|lusobrasil: yes|pg||
nt|lusobrasil: yes 2 more rounds|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|d|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|joest: was 3@d puppet?|pg||
nt|arno11: interesting if the still will find @Hs|pg||
nt|joest: this would be a critical hand to be using that convention|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: actually Aarmot could make 7 if he was in it|pg||
nt|arno11: I think W just showed @S+@D|pg||
nt|vugraph140: 3@D was not alerted, so don't know|pg||
nt|joest: really?  I'd be concerned he just bid a natural nonforcing 4NT|pg||
nt|joest: but I defer to you Arno :)|pg||
nt|vugraph140: haha already told you, Ronny is not concerned easy I think:)|pg||
nt|arno11: difficult for E too see 4NT as RKC  for @Hs|pg||
nt|joest: let's put it this way.  East is thinking and that can't be good if you're blackwooding|pg||
nt|arno11: at least 6NT is also making|pg||
nt|joest: as is 4NT :)|pg||
nt|vugraph140: haha|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|nt|arno11: 4NT is really  looking natural as 4@C is a possible alternative|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dT|pg||
nt|joest: confirms all key cards so I suspect we see 6@c next|pg||
pc|sA|nt|arno11: 5NT: another chance to pass :)|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|c4|nt|joest: WOW|pg||
pc|d2|pg||
nt|lusobrasil: 15 minutes break, no problem|pg||
nt|arno11: looks like a big swing for the norwegians|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o7|st||md|1ST7654H762DJ43CT2,SA32HQJ83DKCQ8653,SKJHK94DQT8652CA7,SQ98HAT5DA97CKJ94|sv|b|nt|tejjyid: last round of a Swiss - a big result can affect a lot of teams|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: 750 and 850 are the same IMPs - another strangeness of the IMP scale|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|janm: Doesn't look as if this hand will provide any more fireworks|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: even though we (still) don't have updated results after 7 rounds, this seems to guarantee The Latin a spot in the KOs and relegate Skotii to the sidelines|pg||
nt|pelu: some would open on the West hand - 1C natural|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|nt|janm: Although it may not be so easy for EW to get to game after W's pass and N's opening|pg||
nt|janm: It was easy in the CR when West opened|pg||
nt|pelu: opp a passed pd 1NT |pg||
nt|flash: East hand close to a perfect Bramley X  :)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: pretty reasonable X in anyones language|pg||
mb|2D|nt|tejjyid: support for all suits...|pg||
mb|p|nt|pelu: with 3-3 in major - no X for me|pg||
mb|2H|nt|janm: East is trying, and maybe if West cooperates...|pg||
nt|flash: for those who haven't been living with BBO Vugraph on multiple screens|pg||
mb|p|mb|3C|nt|flash: Bart believes that it's immensely important to compete|pg||
nt|tejjyid: so, Peter, do you alert that?|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: and that even with a 4333 hand with 4 cards in the suit bid on your right, it can be correct to X|pg||
mb|4C|nt|pelu: no that is normal standard - and no surprise here - !|pg||
nt|janm: I think they can make 5@c as well as 3NT|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: But East may think he's done enough opposite a passed hand|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: i think i'd prefer to see 3@D over 3@C?|pg||
nt|janm: 4@h, another possible game|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: none of the above...   an election day favorite...|pg||
nt|janm: Not just possible, a making game|pg||
pc|d5|nt|flash: North on lead - either a @D or a trump seemed possible/plausible|pg||
pc|d7|nt|janm: 11 tricks available in hearts as well as in NT and clubs, so this may still be a push, unless he finds some way to cater to bad breaks and still take 10 tricks|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg||
nt|janm: So our second push of the match|pg||
nt|flash: only our 2nd push |pg||
pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
nt|janm: I know, I know, now somehow he'll only make 4, I shouldn't "claim" early!|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|s2|pg||
nt|flash: 2 small results and 3 IMMENSELY HUGE ones|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c7|st||md|1ST7654H762DJ43CT2,SA32HQJ83DKCQ8653,SKJHK94DQT8652CA7,SQ98HAT5DA97CKJ94|sv|b|nt|joest: while we're waiting can anyone clue us in on the standings of these two teams?|pg||
nt|joest: This is the 10th round of 12 in a swiss teams|pg||
nt|Walddk7: Maybe Rosaline can give us the link to the standings|pg||
nt|rosaline: http://www.lusobridge.com/main/2006_2007Festivais/mad2007results.htm|pg||
nt|vugraph140: 3 and 4 |pg||
nt|rosaline: these are the results|pg||
nt|Walddk7: Thanks Roos|pg||
nt|joest: thanks very much|pg||
nt|rosaline: for pictures and bulletins go to http://www.bridge-madeira.com/Tournament-2007/index.html|pg||
nt|vugraph140: starting now|pg||
nt|Walddk7: Rosaline is multi-tasking: hostess, TD, commentating, etc.|pg||
nt|joest: good luck Rosaline|pg||
mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|joest: this is probably a 2@s raise although some would think it courting trouble to raise vulnerable on that junk|pg||
mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|joest: n-s awfully close to alucky 3NT|pg||
nt|arno11: 2@S will be one down losing 2@S, 2@D 1@C and 1@H|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: yes|pg||
nt|joest: but in bbo I've learned to say "should be" down one :)|pg||
nt|rosaline: this is the third time that team Van Zwol is on vugraph now, and maybe some have already noticed, but they played every match in a different formation|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d7|pg||
pc|c3|nt|joest: good play.  NOrth does not rate to have a promotable trump holding (like Jxx) once west cannot rebid 2@s onhis own|pg||
pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|s2|pg||
pc|d4|pc|s3|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|s4|pc|c5|pc|d2|pg||
nt|arno11: no easier for declarer|pg||
pc|c4|nt|arno11: now|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c6|pc|d8|pg||
pc|c8|pc|dQ|pc|s9|pc|s5|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg||
pc|hA|pc|s6|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o8|st||md|2SJ986HKQDAT4CAQ92,SAT72HAJ98D6CKT73,SKQ43H752DK73CJ64,S5HT643DQJ9852C85|sv|o|nt|flash: still alive for 5|pg||
nt|flash: yea, team!!|pg||
nt|janm: :)|pg||
nt|pelu: 25 HCP and 4-4 in @S - and sell out to 3@D?|pg||
nt|janm: 1@c-3@d as a weak JS seems like an unusual method to me, and I'm not sure it's a bid I'd make even if it were available to me - I love bidding my 4 card Majors|pg||
nt|flash: the web site is still not updated - i have difficulty imagining that the standings weren't available at the playing site before the teams sat down|pg||
nt|janm: But it does seem to have stolen the pot here|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I prefer 2@D, but the principle seems OK|pg||
nt|pelu: I play 2@D os GF with @Cs|pg||
nt|flash: commentators - you're about to play the last match of the qualifying session - do you want to know exactly what you need?|pg||
nt|flash: or do you just siddown and play??|pg||
nt|tejjyid: no|pg||
nt|tejjyid: yes, just play|pg||
nt|pelu: but 4@S is not easy - often -1 with the actual cards|pg||
nt|janm: Surely they had the results at the site; it's just a problem with getting them posted|pg||
nt|flash: we've been most spoiled by tourneys using Bridgemate units and real-time web links|pg||
nt|janm: Meanwhile, they seem to be taking a break here - I can certainly understand EW wanting a moment to regroup|pg||
mb|1C|mb|p|nt|janm: Some of us can still remember the days when we had to wait until the next morning (or the next) to find out who'd won an important event :)|pg||
nt|janm: Now we expect (and often get) instant results! |pg||
nt|tejjyid: true & the score checking at 2AM |pg||
mb|1H|mb|1N|mb|2H|nt|tejjyid: X for T/o from North?|pg||
nt|flash: some folks have gone back to (or never migrated from) using the 1NT call in the 'sandwich seat' as a normal 1NT|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|janm: And guess what, it actually comes up! |pg||
nt|flash: the thinking is that with Meckwell out to steal your bacon on every board, you'd better keep every means of showing a reasonable hand available|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|tejjyid: seems reasonable|pg||
nt|janm: Now let's see if he can find 9 tricks |pg||
pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
nt|tejjyid: in fact, you rarely get burned & there are lots of 2-suited bids around|pg||
nt|flash: one short, unless...|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
nt|janm: I only see 2 spades, 1 heart, 2 diamonds and 2 clubs|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg||
pc|s8|pc|s7|nt|pelu: ?? west can see 5 tricks|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|janm: Well, 3 clubs now|pg||
pc|d8|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|d2|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg||
nt|flash: even that wasn't enough to yield a 9th trick|pg||
nt|pelu: his pd bid 1@H - so KQ must be stift|pg||
nt|janm: Yes, I was about to say that maybe West didn't know that East had 4 hearts, but then I reviewed the auction :)|pg||
nt|flash: SPECS:  our first contest of the set...   how can West apparently give up a trick by returning a @C, yet declarer is no better off than he would have been on a neutral return?|pg||
nt|flash: pls submit all entries to Dept DDS (that's Double Dummy Solutions, not our resident dentist), c/o BBO|pg||
nt|tejjyid: SOuth shouldn't give up, he's seen the defence on earlier boards|pg||
nt|janm: Why isn't he better off? He only had 7 tricks, now he has 8|pg||
nt|flash: pls include a processing fee of 10 euros (we no longer take $US - they shrink too rapidly)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 2 rouns of @D & a @H pitch, who knows?|pg||
nt|flash: and we'll send you a postcard from wherever we can get on the processing fees|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg||
nt|flash: i've got some votes for a make on an end-play, but it's an illusion...|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|cT|pg||
nt|pelu: he hoped for at songleton Q or J in @D|pg||
pc|cA|pc|sT|nt|janm: Someone once told me to hold winners and throw losers - wouldn't a heart pitch violate that rule?|pg||
pc|d7|pc|h3|pg||
nt|tejjyid: its an illusion now|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|mc|8|pg||
qx|c8|st||md|2SJ986HKQDAT4CAQ92,SAT72HAJ98D6CKT73,SKQ43H752DK73CJ64,S5HT643DQJ9852C85|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|3D!|nt|joest: Rosaline and Arno, is it your style to bid 1NT here or raise diamonds?|pg||
nt|rosaline: I would like to take a minute to tell about this wonderful tournament in Madeira, a beautiful island of portugal|pg||
mb|p|nt|rosaline: With a total prize money of € 27.500 and a great diversity of nationalities this tournament is taking a unique position on the list of bridge festivals.|pg||
nt|arno11: I wld always raise @D|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|rosaline: first we had a pairs event with 108 pairs|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg||
nt|rosaline: this was won by Clas Nyberg - Kauko Koistinen from Finland|pg||
nt|rosaline: oh hihi didnt see your question, in teams for sure 2@D|pg||
nt|arno11: 2@H  was a nice bid but this contract will suffer from @C ruffs|pg||
pc|s9|nt|joest: Not sure I would lhave chosen 2@h|pg||
nt|arno11: me neither :)|pg||
nt|joest: I think it was Sir Walter Scott who penned the lines "when first we practice to deceive..."|pg||
nt|joest: I don't know if 2NT would be natural and I think responsive double shows both majors|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg||
nt|joest: 3@c is possible but I don't like that either so in fairnes it's a tough decision|pg||
nt|rosaline: At the closed table are playing for team Valen, Bjorn Sture Valen and Egil Hansen, |pg||
nt|joest: 5@c is a much better game but would require some good guessing, like hooking the ten of spades|pg||
nt|rosaline: For team van Zwol are playing H. Broek and R. Gragt|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|d5|pc|s6|pg||
pc|dJ|nt|arno11: 5@C for sure much better|pg||
pc|d4|pc|s7|pc|dK|pg||
nt|arno11: but he´s not down yet|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c8|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|dA|pg||
nt|arno11: probably -2 now|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o9|st||md|3S98754H75DAT98CA9,S62H643D764CT8754,SQJ3HAQ8DKQ53CJ32,SAKTHKJT92DJ2CKQ6|sv|e|nt|flash: 3 IMPs it is|pg||
nt|flash: strange game, this bridge - you bid a reasonable game and lose IMPs because your partner stole the pot in the other room|pg||
mb|1N|nt|pelu: 3Nt is not the reasonable contract - it is 4@S (board 8)|pg||
nt|flash: we wouldn't be too surprised to see the Closed Room auction duplicated here?|pg||
nt|janm: South in the CR did well not to bid 4@s after finding partner with 3 card support in his strong NT - look how much had to be wrong for there to be only 9 tricks|pg||
mb|d|an|any 1-suited|nt|flash: to see the Closed Room auction, move your cursor over the Closed Room result on this screen|pg||
nt|flash: but a variation in the auction|pg||
mb|p|mb|2C!|an|P/C|nt|flash: let's double back to Goded's decision to stay out with the East hand?|pg||
nt|janm: Yes, presumably East in the CR wasn't playing penalty doubles of 1NT and chose not to do what this East has done - show a 1-suited hand with a bunch of values and 5332|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|nt|tejjyid: I'd rather defend with the East cards|pg||
mb|d|an|T/O|mb|p|nt|flash: with South's hand, do you xfer immediately and ignore the noise?|pg||
mb|2N|nt|janm: You're right that bridge is a funny game - now Brenner is afraid he's being stolen from, thinking E has shape instead of HCPs|pg||
nt|tejjyid: depends how good my methods are at extracting penalties|pg||
mb|d|nt|flash: we'd assume that XX would have requested partner to bid 2@C to try to play in 2 of a minor|pg||
nt|pelu: first I could RD to show values (on the S hand)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: some of us keep 'system on' over all Xs  :)|pg||
pc|cK|nt|flash: 8 tricks are possible|pg||
nt|flash: and immensely costly to E-|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg||
nt|flash: sorry...   to E-W if they're won|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg||
nt|pelu: I like to escape in 2@C and 2@D over a pen D (spec playing week NT)|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg||
pc|c6|pc|h5|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg||
nt|flash: with an overtrick available now|pg||
nt|flash: need an industrial-strength crowbar to force an entry to West's hand|pg||
nt|janm: East has the usual problem with a very good hand - no way to get out of his own way. Should have just given away the heart trick to begin with|pg||
nt|tejjyid: East is having a bad afternoon|pg||
nt|janm: Yes, this definitely isn't East's day|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg||
nt|tejjyid: North doesn't know that yet of course|pg||
nt|janm: Now East will have to decide what to pitch on the diamonds before being tossed in to concede another trick to N|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg||
nt|janm: Oops, N needed to cash another diamond|pg||
nt|flash: North still has to decide whether to play on @Ss from hand or cross to dummy...   |pg||
nt|flash: still ok for +1|pg||
nt|tejjyid: type faster Jim|pg||
nt|flash: if he credits East with the shape to make any of this plausible, @Ds might not be splitting|pg||
nt|flash: and he might have only the one dummy entry|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|janm: So now it's +1 as you said|pg||
pc|d3|nt|flash: better late than never doesn't usually apply at bridge...|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|h2|pg||
pc|dT|pc|h4|pc|dQ|pc|h9|pg||
nt|pelu: need a @H-lead to defeat 3NT|pg||
nt|janm: Just cashing his 8 tricks I guess|pg||
pc|hA|mc|8|nt|flash: 8 more IMPs|pg||
nt|tejjyid: yes, West "might" have the @S entry for the @C|pg||
nt|flash: the good news is that the Closed Room has moved a few boards ahead, so we'll have comparisons the rest of the way|pg||
nt|janm: And I foolishly thought the CR NS had done well to stop!|pg||
pg||
qx|c9|st||md|3S98754H75DAT98CA9,S62H643D764CT8754,SQJ3HAQ8DKQ53CJ32,SAKTHKJT92DJ2CKQ6|sv|e|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|h3|pg||
pc|dK|pc|h2|pc|d9|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d3|pc|h9|pc|dT|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o10|st||md|4S875HK7DKJ82CAK76,SQ93HAQJ653DQ7C92,SAK6HT42DAT543CQJ,SJT42H98D96CT8543|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|flash: updated standings posted:   http://www.jcbl.or.jp/game/nec/necfest08/nec_bul.html|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 2N x-ed making is not a commonly seen score|pg||
mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|flash: this is  6 vs  7, only a few IMPs clear of 9th...|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|nt|flash: Mahaffey has, indeed, clinched a spot in the KOs|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|flash: the rest are theoretically up for grabs, but practically...|pg||
nt|flash: Not the Empire and Israel seem most likely to be in|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|janm: 8 teams make the KOs, right?|pg||
nt|flash: yes'm  :)|pg||
nt|vugraph128: yeah|pg||
mb|4D|nt|janm: How long are the KO matches? And do the top teams get to choose their opponents?|pg||
nt|flash: 5@D looks great here|pg||
nt|flash: yes to the 2nd question|pg||
mb|p|nt|tejjyid: so does 3NT played by South|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|an|RKCB of !d|mb|p|nt|pelu: the Skot II-team lost the first match 25-4 - and had weak opp in the next matches that exp. some of the bidding and play we have seen here - playing swiss|pg||
nt|flash: the Daily Bulletins have the Conditions of Contest - so the KO format available there|pg||
nt|flash: N-S sniffing (uncomfortably) at slam...   with the @HK exposed, we need a good set of brakes|pg||
mb|5H|an|2key+!dQ|nt|janm: S in the CR went down by taking the diamond finesse into West after a heart opening lead (West had bid 3@h over 1@c, so suggested more shape than he had|pg||
mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|nt|flash: it's possible that 4@D was RKCB and 4@H showed 1/4, then 4@S asked for the Q and Brenner liked his 4-card length in @Ds??|pg||
nt|tejjyid: that seems like a failure to count to 9 tricks|pg||
nt|pelu: 6@D -1 is +3IMP|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 6NT|pg||
nt|flash: back at Peter's observation, SKOTII drew the defending champions - Netherlands - in the first round|pg||
nt|tejjyid: only 11 top, but a prayer|pg||
nt|flash: i haven't followed their matches since then, but they rate to have had to face at least one top-rank team since then to climb all the way back|pg||
nt|janm: I guess North was hoping for the heart A from partner for the 4@h bid|pg||
nt|flash: after the 1/4 response, though...|pg||
mb|6N|mb|p|nt|pelu: nice try|pg||
nt|flash: Brenner converts to protect the @HK|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: and now, West has to lead a NON-@H|pg||
nt|janm: He's likely to get the diamonds right here, since W bid 1@h instead of jumping. So he'll still win that 1 IMP for -1 instead of -2, assuming that West doesn't lead a heart.|pg||
nt|flash: our man in the Press Room has suggested that with a @H lead, Brenner might take the @D hook  :)|pg||
nt|janm: But the way things have been going for EW...|pg||
nt|janm: I think he'd take it the right way though|pg||
pc|dQ|nt|flash: a spec who's far more awake than i noticed that South opened 1@C with the 4-4 minor suit hand|pg||
nt|janm: Well, so much for the diamond hook!!!!!|pg||
nt|janm: However, that was a more successful lead than the other red Q|pg||
nt|flash: and that a 1@D opener would have left South as declarer - to no avail as it turns out|pg||
nt|pelu: back to Skot results - they have no opp from the top-10 (after the 1. match)|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c5|pc|dJ|pc|h6|pg||
nt|flash: Board 10 - down 1; we bid the slam; sorry...   win 3...|pg||
pc|cA|nt|janm: I can't see any hope for this contract, wonder if Brenner can (assuming the heart A is off, as expected from the overcall)|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|c8|pg||
pc|cK|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|cT|pg||
pc|d8|pc|hJ|pc|dT|nt|flash: West needs the QJT9 of @Ss tripleton?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: lots of hope|pg||
pc|h8|pg||
pc|d5|nt|tejjyid: not high %-age hope|pg||
pc|h9|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|hT|pc|sT|mc|11|pg||
qx|c10|st||md|4S875HK7DKJ82CAK76,SQ93HAQJ653DQ7C92,SAK6HT42DAT543CQJ,SJT42H98D96CT8543|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|2H|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c9|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|o11|st||md|1S8H98542DKJ84CT64,SK542HK7DAQT653C2,SJT7HA6D2CKQJ8753,SAQ963HQJT3D97CA9|sv|o|nt|tejjyid: & not fulfilled|pg||
nt|flash: halfway through the set...   time for a stretch...|pg||
nt|tejjyid: still, they have had their quota of luck on slams TODAY|pg||
nt|flash: Jan, are you leading us in 'Take Me Out to the Bridge Game' tonight?|pg||
nt|janm: Wonder how NS will feel when they say "-100" and their teammates say "win 3"?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: they've bid 2 non-making slams of which one got home, that's OK really|pg||
mb|p|mb|1D|nt|janm: No, I'm the one who was told to just mouth along with the music at Thanksgiving recitals in grade school :)|pg||
mb|2C|mb|d|nt|tejjyid: 4@C!!!|pg||
mb|3C|mb|3S|mb|5C|nt|mariner1: hi all|pg||
nt|tejjyid: HI Rob|pg||
nt|janm: Hi Rob|pg||
nt|mariner1: hi Jan and Andrew|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 5@S here is IMO a slam try|pg||
nt|tejjyid: becasue X is available for all the hands less than that|pg||
nt|flash: taking away RKCB - although that hasn't been a particularly effective weapon this set|pg||
mb|6S|mb|p|nt|mariner1: well 6@s is a slam try :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|janm: 6@s is a different kind of slam try :) Bid one and try to make it|pg||
nt|tejjyid: yes, the Lazard try|pg||
nt|tejjyid: doesn't look too stressful|pg||
nt|flash: 11 IMPs - the first double-digit entry on that side of the ledger|pg||
nt|mariner1: Sidney would represent that I am sure :)|pg||
nt|janm: Very reasonable bid with the club A and partner marked with a stiff, and the good trumps, & doubleton diamond. Doesn't need much more than AK of diamonds, K of spades and A or K of ...|pg||
nt|janm: hearts from partner, who probably doesn't have any club honors|pg||
nt|flash: yes - West's rebid of 5@S in the Closed Room seems quite pessimistic|pg||
nt|mariner1: http://www.bbotv.com/vugraph/  for BBO-TV. Watch both vugraph rooms at the same time, even while playing or in the lobby. No download needed. Some need Flash Player 9, some don't.. ...|pg||
nt|mariner1: load 1 window per table...|pg||
nt|mariner1: and as it is 50% needing K@d on side (and no bad breaks in red suits)|pg||
nt|janm: I agree about West's failure to  bid anything constructive after his partner made a negative DBL and then cue bid above game, but he must have thought that his jump to 4@s did the ...|pg||
nt|janm: hand sufficient justice|pg||
nt|flash: there ain't no justice at bridge...   why the other night, i held....    :)|pg||
nt|mariner1: that's why your are the "Flash"  :)|pg||
nt|flash: refusing to lead is one way to stop them from scoring up the slam  :)|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s3|pc|c4|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg||
nt|janm: Of course you're right that this isn't such a great slam, needing the diamond finesse, but from East's point of view, could it really be any worse than this?|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|d7|nt|flash: i've had a smiling, but strong suggestion that we're being a bit harsh on West in the Closed Room|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg||
pc|dA|pc|c3|pc|d9|pc|d8|pg||
nt|tejjyid: no, this was a reasonable punt from Easts POV|pg||
pc|d3|pc|cQ|pc|s6|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|s5|pg||
pc|d5|pc|c5|pc|s9|pc|dK|pg||
mc|12|nt|flash: 11 IMPs it is|pg||
nt|janm: West did jump to 4@s in the CR and so perhaps he'd shown all of his values with that bid, and of course East knew that West couldn't have *no* Aces or Kings in the red suit so ...|pg||
nt|janm: probably should have known that he had stoppers in both. Perhaps it isn't fair to blame West|pg||
pg||
qx|c11|st||md|1S8H98542DKJ84CT64,SK542HK7DAQT653C2,SJT7HA6D2CKQJ8753,SAQ963HQJT3D97CA9|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|3C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg||
pc|s3|pc|c6|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|cT|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg||
pc|dA|pc|c3|pc|d9|pc|d8|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hA|mc|12|pg||
qx|o12|st||md|2SHKT7DKQ874CAKQ96,ST754HAQ943D63CJ2,SQJ632H52DT5CT743,SAK98HJ86DAJ92C85|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|flash: it's a good thing that Roland is asleep...   i believe they used the dreaded F convention in the Closed Room|pg||
mb|2C|nt|tejjyid: this hand is so weak oyu coul dcll it Ekrens|pg||
mb|2H|nt|tejjyid: he might be happier then|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: No, I think that 2@d was probably a weak hand with both Majors, likely could have been 45 either way or even 55|pg||
mb|p|nt|tejjyid: Ekrens is a 2@D (or 2@H ) bid that shows both majors, starting with 4-4|pg||
nt|janm: 2NT must have asked whether he had a decent hand and 3@c said no|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: meanwhile, Brenner is faced with the unusual situation that the opps keep bidding his other suits|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c5|nt|mariner1: suprised E didn't at least try a raise here|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg||
nt|flash: given the earlier results, he's got no special reason to go adventuring|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hT|pg||
nt|mariner1: no reason not to get @s right now|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|nt|flash: for anyone who's wandered in recently, the web site for the competition is at   http://www.jcbl.or.jp/game/nec/necfest08/nec_bul.html|pg||
pc|sA|pc|d4|pg||
nt|mariner1: well wrong :(|pg||
nt|flash: this is  6 vs  7 with 8 to qualify for the KO phase|pg||
nt|flash: this is the last round of the swiss qualifying|pg||
nt|janm: This was very awkward for South in the CR. After 2@d-2NT presumably showing values, he couldn't really bid anything, and then when they settled in 3@S, 3NT would have been natural, ...|pg||
nt|janm: and DBL perhaps penalty (although maybe with a hand to make a penalty DBL he should DBL 2NT?), so he felt he had to bid 4NT to show both minors|pg||
nt|flash: these teams were only a few VPs clear of 9th place|pg||
pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|s2|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|mariner1: this is the last session of the Swiss too,,, Quarterfinals in 2 hours|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c12|st||md|2SHKT7DKQ874CAKQ96,ST754HAQ943D63CJ2,SQJ632H52DT5CT743,SAK98HJ86DAJ92C85|sv|n|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|c6|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o13|st||md|3SQ5HK72DCQT976542,SA8643HJ984DT93CJ,SK972H6DKQJ652CA8,SJTHAQT53DA874CK3|sv|b|nt|flash: another (quite rare) push on the scorecard|pg||
nt|tejjyid: deep position|pg||
nt|vugraph128: now  13|pg||
mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|flash: let me dredge back up a comment i just sent to a spec:  the auction's an exchange of information; if you have a descriptive call, make it!!|pg||
mb|2C|mb|3H|nt|tejjyid: I agree...if you can support partner, tell him about it|pg||
nt|flash: i'd rather keep the marginal @D spt in reserve and show where i live |pg||
nt|janm: In the CR, South never bid with his 8 card suit. Here Brenner has bid 2@c, somewhat changing to feel of the auction|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: Sorry, "the feel"|pg||
mb|4H|nt|janm: In the CR, East bid 4@h here (without the 2@c bid). Does everyone think that 3@h is constructive? Or that the East hand is so special it should bid game over a preemptive raise?|pg||
nt|flash: this might be the downside of fit-showing jumps - 3@C might not have been available as natural (and south seems to have considered 2@C a misdescription)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: no to both|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 3@H looks like a pre-emptive manouvre which Eash would normally pass|pg||
nt|janm: Wonder if the 2@c bid put them in a forcing position here?|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: i'd assume that 3@H is pre-emptive, but i don't think a pre-emptive call does justice to the number of losers West can cover|pg||
nt|janm: Whether that's what happened or whether N just made a good decision to DBL, it will pick up a few more IMPs for NS|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|nt|tejjyid: it's a good-sih pre-empt|pg||
pc|c3|pg||
nt|tejjyid: good-ish|pg||
pc|dK|nt|janm: W is Vul, so a preemptive raise should have something to recommend it. But I don't like the 4@h bid |pg||
nt|mariner1: well an interesting penalty position found|pg||
pc|dA|pc|h2|pc|d3|pg||
nt|flash: on our way to 7 IMPs here|pg||
nt|mariner1: not looking good on the VP scale for EW|pg||
nt|flash: partner returned the @DK - suit preference for @Ss?  or just clarifying the honor position??|pg||
nt|janm: Surely just a natural lead, no reason he should be expecting partner to ruff|pg||
pc|c6|pc|d9|pc|c8|pc|cK|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c5|nt|janm: Declarer deciding whether to take the heart finesse - we know it doesn't matter, but of course he doesn't|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|d2|pc|h5|pg||
nt|mariner1: NS are at their VP max now of 25 however EW team can lose the ones they have (4 at present)|pg||
nt|flash: and a @S to come...|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c13|st||md|3SQ5HK72DCQT976542,SA8643HJ984DT93CJ,SK972H6DKQJ652CA8,SJTHAQT53DA874CK3|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|h2|pc|d3|pg||
pc|c6|pc|d9|pc|c8|pc|cK|pg||
pc|d4|pc|c4|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg||
pc|d8|mc|8|pg||
qx|o14|st||md|4SQ3H97DJT2CAKJ932,SAK6HKJ86543D3C87,S954HTDAK8754CQT5,SJT872HAQ2DQ96C64|sv|o|nt|mariner1: very disciplined of S in Closed not to enter auction|pg||
nt|janm: EW may not have been on the same wavelength about the jump raise of an overcall in the CR - I'd guess that West intended his 3@h bid as Preemptive and East thought it was ...|pg||
nt|janm: constructive, so bid the pretty hopeless game|pg||
mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|flash: looks like we have the boards out of order in this room?|pg||
nt|vugraph128:  13 is skipped..will play after this board..|pg||
mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|3C|mb|3H|nt|flash: thnx, Miroaki|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 3@d is a better bid than 3@C|pg||
nt|mariner1: 3@H is pretty conservative with the distribution W has|pg||
mb|5C|nt|janm: Surely 3@d would be some sort of game try?|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: is that bad?|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: I meant 3@d by West, and I'd have expected that bid with such a good hand. |pg||
nt|flash: well....   since you asked....   :)    some might think it better to show 6 of your cards and where you live|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg||
nt|flash: than to possibly suggest to partner that you have 4-card spt for his suit?|pg||
nt|mariner1: so 5@c NO DBL is nice for NS|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 3@D by west is another matter (I agree it shows a better hand)|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s5|nt|tejjyid: 4 card support?|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg||
nt|mariner1: with W I just bid 4@h over 3@c|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|c9|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|h2|pg||
nt|flash: N-S won the board in the auction; even an X would have still been 3 IMPs away?|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg||
pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|cA|nt|janm: I think that West sort of fixed himself by bidding 3@h last round - now he couldn't tell whether NS were bidding to make or saving and his partner wasn't in on the joke|pg||
pc|c8|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I'm shocked...you USA guys just hate to raise partner dont you ?|pg||
pc|cK|mc|9|pg||
qx|c14|st||md|4SQ3H97DJT2CAKJ932,SAK6HKJ86543D3C87,S954HTDAK8754CQT5,SJT872HAQ2DQ96C64|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg||
pc|dT|pc|h3|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg||
pc|h4|pc|d5|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg||
pc|h5|pc|d4|pc|hQ|pc|c2|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|mc|10|pg||
qx|o15|st||md|1SA974H98DKQ7652CJ,SK32HKQJ62D8CA652,SQ65HAT543DTCT943,SJT8H7DAJ943CKQ87|sv|n|nt|mariner1: now EW team has 3 VP|pg||
nt|janm: And 5 boards still to play|pg||
nt|flash: with 6 boards left, it would seem that all that's at stake is the final palcement for The Latin|pg||
mb|1D|nt|janm: Sorry, you're right - 6 boards to play|pg||
nt|flash: this will eliminate Skotii from the KO phase|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: I have to say that even though I'm a big advocate of X on similar hands to the West one, I too woul dhave overcalled @H here|pg||
nt|flash: the usual format from here is that the 1st place team (Mahaffey?) gets to choose its 1st round KO opponent form the teams finishing 5th-8th|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|janm: For everyone who thinks that you shouldnt' open the South hand, look what happened to South in the CR when he passed initially!|pg||
nt|tejjyid: the texture of that @H suit is just too much for me|pg||
pc|d6|nt|flash: then the 2nd place team chooses an opponent; then the 3rd place team; and the 4th place team gets whomever's left|pg||
pc|d8|pc|dT|nt|janm: I'm an advocate of overcalling the 5 card major with only 3 in the other one, so I wouldn't need the good texture to bid 1@h|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
nt|mariner1: and you have a rebid over anything P chirps|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hK|nt|mariner1: I agreed with the 1@H overcall too|pg||
pc|h3|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|s8|pc|h8|pg||
nt|flash: i have no problems with passing the South hand initially - and would suggest that the problem is thinking that one needs to compete at round 2?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: if I had ! or K empty, I would prefer X, but here I think it is clearly right to bid|pg||
nt|mariner1: in the coming quarterfinals aren't we down to 8 teams?|pg||
nt|tejjyid: Q or K*|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s6|pc|d3|pc|s9|pc|sK|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cK|mc|8|pg||
qx|c15|st||md|1SA974H98DKQ7652CJ,SK32HKQJ62D8CA652,SQ65HAT543DTCT943,SJT8H7DAJ943CKQ87|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S!|mb|2D|mb|d!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg||
pc|c7|pc|d2|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg||
pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|sT|pc|h9|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|sJ|pc|d5|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|d3|pg||
pc|c8|pc|d6|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|d4|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|dT|pg||
pc|sA|pc|cA|pc|h5|pc|d9|pg||
mc|6|pg||
qx|o16|st||md|2SKHAQJDT853CK9743,ST6432H86DKQ6CAQ8,SAQ98HT42DA72C652,SJ75HK9753DJ94CJT|sv|e|nt|flash: as far as i know, Rob, it's only on this side of the pond that we have quarter-finals with 6 teams left|pg||
nt|mariner1: now 2 VP |pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|nt|mariner1: 1N is interesting with the stiff K@s|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|janm: And we only have quarterfinals with 6 teams left when a team has a bye to the semi-finals - I once put in a scoring line on our website for Team X vs Bye and had Bye way ahead ...|pg||
nt|janm: after the first few segments - but someone on Team X complained, so I had to take it out :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: :)|pg||
nt|mariner1: did you bet on Bye? :)|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s9|nt|flash: you should have had Team Bye vs Team Bye-Bye...|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg||
nt|mariner1: LOL|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c2|nt|flash: somebody bet on de Bye...|pg||
pc|cT|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg||
nt|janm: :) Enough!!|pg||
pc|c3|nt|mariner1: Camptown Races.... dodah|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|dK|nt|flash: the Closed Room has finished; no mercy rule in bridge...|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d3|pg||
nt|mariner1: well this might give back a VP|pg||
nt|janm: Of course here, where the margin is relevant they can't stop play, but I've always wondered why they can't do that in a KO when it's mathematically impossible for one team to win|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c6|nt|tejjyid: it's hard to know usually|pg||
pc|h7|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
nt|mariner1: well it can affect another teams position though|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dJ|mc|8|pg||
qx|c16|st||md|2SKHAQJDT853CK9743,ST6432H86DKQ6CAQ8,SAQ98HT42DA72C652,SJ75HK9753DJ94CJT|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cT|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|d3|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg||
pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|d8|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pg||
pc|c5|pc|h3|pc|c7|pc|cA|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|o17|st||md|3SKTHADKQJT84CT542,SA954H863D32CQ983,S8632HQJTDA765CKJ,SQJ7HK97542D9CA76|sv|o|nt|janm: Yes, that's why they can't stop play here - but if it were a KO, it seems like they ought to be able to|pg||
nt|flash: in Shanghai, we got the impression that withdrawals were considered scandalous|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 24 imps per board - you have to be a long way down with 8 boards left to say mathematically impossible|pg||
nt|tejjyid: there is a question of fatigue|pg||
nt|mariner1: in EW back to 3VP|pg||
nt|tejjyid: why shoupd some teams get a rest...|pg||
nt|flash: which didn't stop the teams in the quarter-finals and finals from shaking hands with one set left|pg||
nt|janm: But there are only 4 boards left here, and 63 IMPs, so in another board it might be mathematically impossible.|pg||
nt|janm: If one team is up by 100 or so, it really doesn't matter whether they play the final segment or not, they're going to get a rest|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: no that's true|pg||
mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: the Closed Room auction features another view on what constitutes a weak 2...   duplicated here|pg||
mb|p|pc|h5|nt|flash: and the auction is identical|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I'd rather open 1@H than 2|pg||
nt|janm: Second seat weak 2 should be a bit sounder than any other position (well 1st or 3rd anyway :)), but this was a very good one|pg||
nt|tejjyid: "good" in the sense of HCP, but poor suit quality & lisleading as to use|pg||
nt|flash: some of us 'sound openers' think that if you open a weak 2 and partner asks for a feature and you don't know which to show, you didn't have a weak 2...|pg||
nt|tejjyid: misleading|pg||
nt|janm: I think I'd open 1 at equal vul or favorable, but 2 in second seat vul vs not|pg||
nt|flash: distinct minority view, these days|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|tejjyid: Jim & I have finally found soemthing to agree on|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|janm: Yes, I rather like to have defense for weak 2's :)|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|flash: :)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 2 features outside suit, it's not a waek 2|pg||
pc|cA|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg||
pc|s7|pc|c4|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s8|mc|9|nt|janm: Meanwhile, Frontaura has guessed the club, despite the weak 2 and is on his way to 9 tricks (I know, they should have cashed the heart K)|pg||
pg||
qx|c17|st||md|3SKTHADKQJT84CT542,SA954H863D32CQ983,S8632HQJTDA765CKJ,SQJ7HK97542D9CA76|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|3H|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|hT|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|c5|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hJ|mc|7|pg||
qx|o18|st||md|4SKJHKT9DAT62CKJ52,S9843HQ7DKJ53CQ93,SAQ765H2D84CAT864,ST2HAJ86543DQ97C7|sv|n|nt|flash: ugh (and ugly)|pg||
nt|tejjyid: I'm a 4@H opener here though, at these colours|pg||
nt|janm: So with 3 boards to go, it is now mathematically impossible for Skot II to win, although of course they can try to get some VPs back|pg||
mb|3H|nt|tejjyid: wuss|pg||
nt|tejjyid: 3NT perfectly reasonaly call now|pg||
nt|flash: our bookmarked BBO Vugraph Schedule web page says that there's just under 1 and 1/2 hours until the first set of the KO quarterfinal|pg||
mb|p|nt|janm: Strange to pass out 3@h|pg||
mb|p|nt|tejjyid: and X or 3@S looks excellent now|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|tejjyid: I like X...good bid North!|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|janm: The play this set has been a lot slower than the last few matches I've watched - usually they've been done with all 20 boards after a little over 2 hours|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|janm: I agree that DBL is a good bid by North|pg||
nt|flash: another big swing possible here - have to get the @Cs right (and it's certainly % to hook?)|pg||
nt|janm: And he'll be appropriately rewarded by a game swing|pg||
nt|janm: Aren't there 9 tricks without the clubs?|pg||
nt|flash: sorry - 9 tops|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hK|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
nt|flash: it's pushing 2AM here and this is turning laborious (not to mention cross-eyed-causing)|pg||
pc|sA|pc|h4|pc|cJ|pc|s8|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|s9|pg||
pc|s7|pc|d7|pc|hT|pc|d5|pg||
pc|c4|nt|janm: NS are pushing towards 100 IMPs - that's a lot in 20 boards!|pg||
pc|h5|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg||
nt|flash: not even a practice finesse for Brenner - at least he's still awake|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c18|st||md|4SKJHKT9DAT62CKJ52,S9843HQ7DKJ53CQ93,SAQ765H2D84CAT864,ST2HAJ86543DQ97C7|sv|n|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h7|pc|s5|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg||
pc|hK|pc|s8|pc|c8|pc|h5|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o19|st||md|1SK52HKJT9DAT2CQ72,SAQT96H876D7CK854,S87HQ542DQ9654CT3,SJ43HA3DKJ83CAJ96|sv|e|nt|flash: 11, 11...   no craps for N-S at this table...|pg||
nt|janm: At the risk of making one more wrong prediction, I'll predict that not many IMPs will change hands on this board|pg||
mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|flash: next-to-last board...  let me get a head start on this:   thnx to our operator, Hiroaki Miura, for a great job|pg||
mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|flash: thnx to NEC for sponsoring this fantastic annual event|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: and the the JCBL, and particularly Omasa-san and Bob Geller, for organizing this broadcast and inviting us to participate|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|tejjyid: bad luck Jan|pg||
pc|cT|nt|flash: thnx to our commentators for getting us through the set|pg||
nt|janm: I knew I shouldn't say it!!|pg||
nt|tejjyid: on that lead 6@C looks quite good|pg||
nt|janm: And don't forget our great operator!!|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg||
nt|flash: and thanks to our specs for hanging in there with us and trying to keep us on the straight and narrow|pg||
nt|flash: in this set, a vain effort|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|tejjyid: yes, without them who knows how many blunders would go unpunished?|pg||
pc|hJ|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sT|pc|d4|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg||
nt|flash: 1 hour and 15 minutes until the first set of the quarter-final KO matches|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg||
pc|hT|mc|10|nt|flash: some of us won't be here, but we certainly hope to see you soon on another BBO Vugraph presentation|pg||
pg||
qx|c19|st||md|1SK52HKJT9DAT2CQ72,SAQT96H876D7CK854,S87HQ542DQ9654CT3,SJ43HA3DKJ83CAJ96|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg||
pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|d4|pc|s4|pg||
pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o20|st||md|2SAQ42HT9DKJ52CA93,S8HAQ2DAQ7643CT64,SKJ75HJ876D8CJ752,ST963HK543DT9CKQ8|sv|b|nt|flash: check your bookmarked web page for events and times - a lot going on all weekend|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N!|an|12-14|mb|d!|an|any 1-suited|nt|janm: Maybe West is getting discouraged? Decided to try passing a hand that most would open|pg||
nt|tejjyid: i think so|pg||
mb|p|nt|flash: aside from Al and Toby, i think we're into 'everyone?'|pg||
nt|tejjyid: no quibbles here|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|flash: 20 boards is a looooonnnnnng set, folks - particularly at the table|pg||
nt|tejjyid: and when things go wrong earlier, even more so|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|nt|flash: this can be beaten 1 trick on a non-@D lead, but...|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|janm: Natural to lead his suit|pg||
pc|s4|nt|tejjyid: every hand can feel like a walk through meters of mud/snow|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|sA|pc|cT|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg||
nt|flash: the coup of leading the opps suit (@Hs) wasn't best this time, but it ain't over|pg||
pc|s2|pc|h2|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg||
nt|flash: folks - i surrender...   we've just gone from down 1 to +1|pg||
pc|c5|nt|flash: whether or not Brenner can take all his tricks remains to be seen|pg||
nt|tejjyid: you said it wasn't over|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg||
pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|s7|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|d4|pc|h7|pg||
nt|flash: suffice it to say that SKOTII had 2 abysmal rounds and 6 good ones; unfortunately, they've been on vugraph for the 2|pg||
pc|c3|pc|d7|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pg||
pc|c7|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|8|nt|flash: and an even 100 IMPs|pg||
nt|tejjyid: they have my sympathy, it's easy to feel self-conscious if you havent had much experience with being watched|pg||
nt|janm: And this has been an amazing set by The Latin! Good luck to them in the KO|pg||
nt|flash: thnx, again, all; hope to see you soon on another BBO Vugraph presentation|pg||
nt|tejjyid: thanks all & bye|pg||
nt|janm: Good  night all|pg||
pg||
qx|c20|st||md|2SAQ42HT9DKJ52CA93,S8HAQ2DAQ7643CT64,SKJ75HJ876D8CJ752,ST963HK543DT9CKQ8|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|r|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg||
pc|s2|pc|d3|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg||
pc|s4|pc|d6|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg||
pc|dA|pc|c2|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|d5|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|d7|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dQ|pc|c7|pc|h5|pg||
pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg||
mc|7|pg||